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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: yt2 on Tuesday 27 March 12 06:44 BST (UK)
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PLEASE NOTE - I have changed the title of this thread to reflect the correct surname as identified by the excellent work that follows.
Whitey
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I've been strolling around Trove over the last couple of days and noticed that the 29Dec1917 edition of The Mail (Adelaide, SA) records the following
"Mrs Len White of Beachport and Nurse McKie of Melbourne are staying with their mother, Mrs Canny of Robe."
I expect that Nurse McKie was in fact Alice McKie (nee Alice Canny) and that she was the sister of Mrs Len White, my Grandmother (Marie Canny). I have almost nothing recorded about Alice Canny and indeed, I have been unable to find anything other than the entry in The Mail.
I have little to go on, so please forgive me for asking the wildly optimistic question ....
Does anyone know anything about the marriage and the descendants of ALICE (Canny) McKIE and her husband unknown McKIE who were married before 1917 and lived in Melbourne?
I have been researching the Canny family for a number of years now and while I have located a number of cousins etc, I have found nobody that has any actual records of the Great Grandparents we all share - Alice (Canny) McKie's parents, Denis Joseph Canny and his wife Alice Maud Mary (Atkinson). I now know quite bit about Denis and Alice, but despite the efforts of a growing team of cousins, have still located no family documents.
In their senior years, Denis and Alice moved from Robe SA to Melbourne to be with their daughter Eileen. They both died in Melbourne and are buried in Old Cheltenham Cemetery.
Finding a mention of Alice (Canny) McKie has rekindled my hopes that someone out there (i.e. the McKIE FAMILY) may still have records of the Canny family stashed away somewhere. It seems distinctly possible that the family records/photographs (whatever they were) may have travelled to Melbourne with Denis and Alice and now be in the possession of the McKie family descendants. Who are the McKie family? ....... I have absolutely no idea.
I'd really appreciate any assistance you may be able to offer to help me find this branch of the McKie family, no matter how trivial it may seem.
Am I an optimist? You betcha .... the glass is always half-full (or in this case never completely empty) ;D ;D
Whitey
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Alice Mary Canny is living in 340 Albert Street, East Melbourne, a nurse on the 1919 electrol role.
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Thank you for that ... does it give Alice's age?
Freebmd tells me an Alice Mary Canny was born in Birkenhead, England in March 1875. I do not know whether the Alice Canny/McKie I am looking for was born in Australia or England, but of her two sisters, Eileen was born in England and Marie was born in Bombala NSW. So maybe Alice was born in England too.
Whitey ;D
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At the same address in 1914.
Electoral rolls do not give ages only occupations.
Cheers ;D
Cando
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Thanks Cassie ... just what I need - another puzzle. The 1914 roll is OK, but if the 1919 electoral roll is the Alice I'm looking for, why was she referred to as Nurse (Alice) McKie in the newspaper in 1917
Whitey
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Many nursing staff retained their maiden names for their occupation :)
Death:
MACKAY Alice May age 74yrs d. 1949 S YARRA #11072
Father: Canny Denis Jos
Mother: Alice Maud ATKINSON
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Hi Whitey,
I was thinking that too. Only thng I can think of is that maybe nurses had to keep their maiden name for a reason.
I know I got married when I was an apprentice and was not able to change my name until apprenticeship was finished. ;D
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Her death notice
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22782130?searchTerm=alice mary mackay&searchLimits=l-category=Family+Notices|||l-decade=194|||l-year=1949
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A brother is mentioned Guy Canny
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Guy died in 1968 - Guy Atkinson CANNY aged 85. in Caulfield Victoria father Denis mother Alice Atkinson
Reg no 10306
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Eileen may have been a nurse too
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/77749418?searchTerm=nursing canny&searchLimits=
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Australian Electoral Roll
1942
SHANNON Jack Francis 77 Queen Street, Warragul Chemist
SHANNON Margaret 77 Queen Street, Warragul Home duties
Cando
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In 1931
Guy lives in 61 Alma Road, St Kilda Road, and he is an accountant
Eileen Maude (nurse)and and Alice Maude (home duties) Canny live at no 59 (next door)
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Thanks Merlin, that's definitely the person I'm looking for.
Looks like the 1917 Newspaper must have got the surname wrong then and I'm actually looking for the MACKAY family.
Thanks Ted ... Alice's sister Eileen was indeed a nurse and served in France in WW!. I have Alice's brother Guy fairly well researched at the moment too.
The death notice from Trove will be very useful thanks. Interesting that none of these things mention Alice's husband's name.
I thought maybe he died in WW1, but have just searched the WW! records and can't find a Mackay that listed Alice as his NoK. That doesn't rule him out as a WW1 serviceman, but it does make it a little more awkward.
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Marriage
SHANNON Jack Francis
MACKAY Margaret
1933 Reg#5255
Cando
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They both disappear from the electoral rolls after 1972 and a son who is with them and also a pharmacist is at the address in 1977 and has moved to a rural property at Drouin by 1980.
I have searched the Warragul and Drouin cemeteries and none of them are there.
Perhaps they retired to Qld :P
I will pm you the name of the son and his wife.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi yt2
Just a note re your McKay.. tis Scottish name and they would have said McKie (McK eye) as it is pronounced in Scotland and thats what was written down in the newspaper lol
One of my cousins in Scotland married a McKay and I was soon put right when I called him McK a
A lot of people do not prounce it correctly but I do now ;D
Sid
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Hi,
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
has a death on the Fraser Coast Qld for a John (JACK) Francis Shannon
Sevearl entires for a Margaret Shannon though
Robyn
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If anyone is looking for family documents relating to the family of Denis Joseph Canny, the Registry of Deeds in Dublin has lots of Canny deeds going back to the 18th century. The ones that refer specifically to Denis J, Canny are numbered as follows:
1861-23-74
1870-21-218
1871-30-98
1873-20-38
1874-18-227
1875-51-170
They tell the story of his decline into bankruptcy and loss of the mansion house ,farm, offices and lands of Ballycasey,225 acres IPM and the lands of Tullyariga 185 acres IPM. (These are Irish acres, equal to 656 statute acres)
The Registry of Deeds Henrietta St. will send you photostat copies of them. (20 euros each the last time I bought any). Anthony
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Well, hello Anthony .... long time no see!! And a happy new year to you and your good lady.
As you can see, I continue my search for members of the Canny clan in Australia. I have had some success over the years and in about 3 weeks time will be meeting a gathering of about 10 cousins and their spouses in Sydney - this will be the first time most of us have met. Most of us descend from Denis Joseph Canny, although there will be two couples from Peru joining us as well (they descend from DJC's half brother James, s/o Matthew Canny and Antoinette Galwey). The Australian cousins are scattered across 5 of the 8 States/Territories of Australia and while it's not quite the same as a trip from Peru, it'll still be quite an effort for some of them to attend.
I'll email you after the gathering and send you a photo of the Canny cousins ~ in the world of family reunions, it's just a small gathering, but it's a very significant one for us nonetheless.
Good to see you're still chasing Cannys ... I still hope to get back to Ireland one day and would love to catch up and show you what I have collected over the years.
Regards
Peter White ;D
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Hi Peter, Remember your visit to Canny-land very well. Still chasing Cannys when I spot the name. Only this week came across an interesting item in the Ennis Chronicle of Oct. 1797. Seems the Denis of Clonmoney had agreed a legal separtation with his wife Lucinda Lysaght and she was to get some land. In a case His Majesty v. Denis Canny some lands at Corcanknockane and Knocksaggartnabanetry wer to be sold for the sum of £1650-18-7 to be paid to wife.
Good luck with the Canny gathering. My own GG grandfather John Henry McCan went out with at least some of his children and died in Riley St. Sydney in 1854. My G grandfather Joseph McCan
was m.1847 in St. Mary's to Jula O'Brien and my grandfather Francis McCan was born 1848, so you can see that I am an Irishman with a grandfather born in Australia. John Henry had 12 children but I could never come any of them in Australia.
Best wishes,
Anthony