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Dinah/Diana Sarah TAPPER gave birth to Florence Alice May TAPPER/STILLING, on 12 Dec 1868 at Dunedin, Reg. 1869/8956.
I have not been able to find any further information about Dinah or her daughter Florence via Papers Past or NZ BDM records.
The father of baby Florence was Thomas STILLING, although no marriage record has been found and they did not stay together.
There are numerous Tapper references in Papers Past, and none of them seem to link with Dinah/Diana.
Can anyone offer suggestions as to how I can trace Dinah after the birth of her daughter?
Maybe she left New Zealand using the name Tapper or Stilling.
Thankyou.
HBelle
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no marriage record has been found
Hello...
NZSG Marriages CD has...
1868/2091 - Thomas W STILLING to Diana Sarah TAPPER
Maybe phone BDM NZ to find out why it's not listed on the website See next post from Ian C
Regards
Beg
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The marriage is on the NZBDM website, but indexed as Thomas William STIRLING and Diana Sarah TAPPER 1868/8918.
There is a death registered in 1890 of a Thomas William STIRLING aged 43, which could be him. Died 9 April and buried 10 April in Northern Cemetery in Dunedin.
No sign of Diana or Florence either as STIRLING, STILLING or TAPPER on NZBDM website, so they may have left the country.
Ian C
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Hi again...
Would you consider a Florence TABOR
Married to Harold Reid McCLELLAND in 1916 (second marriage I think)
Died in 1950 aged 72 which puts her year of birth out by ten years.
Cremated and I assume buried with her husband in Karori Cemetery, Wellington.
Karori Cemetery
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/search.php
On second thoughts maybe not as there is a Florence TABOR born in 1871.
Maybe just keep a variant spelling in mind
Regards
Beg
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Hi HBelle
I see in your Australian thread that you have given lots of background info for Thomas William STILLING - including that he died in Sydney 1912 (NSW Death Index = aged 86 - bc 1826).
Also you've mentioned that Thomas was in Noumea (c. 1872 - 1885) and that he married again (NSW) to Eliza A. SMITH in 1885.
* Do you have a copy of the 1885 marriage cert ... and if so, was his status given as a "widower" ?
~ Lu
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Mmm ... I see now (at PapersPast - "Otago Daily Times" -- 18 June 1868 - P. 6 / col. 2) that the marriage appears to have been "on the rocks", prior to the birth of Florence ?
Notice : I hereby give notice that I will not be responsible for any money or goods that may be supplied to my wife Dinah Sarah STILLING, and warn the public accordingly.
-- Thos. W. STILLING, Draper, Port Chalmers --
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See also in Papers Past, three reports in the "Grey River Argus' concerning the bankruptcy of Thomas William Stilling; in particular that dated 28.10.1871, page 2.
Minniehaha.
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Also an item of interest in "The Otago Daily Times" dated 10.8.1870, page 3, re a letter to the editor concerning Neglected Children.
Minniehaha.
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Hi HBelle
Mmm ... just not finding anything at all which suggests Diana / Dinah and her daughter remained in New Zealand.
Have also drawn a blank with Australian and UK records. ??? All very frustrating.
I do think though that Diana was possibly a widow - TAPPER being her married name.
I'll add some further info sourced from UK records in case it is of any assistance to this search.
~ Lu
see next > >
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Free BMD (UK)
Marriages - June - 1864 -- Reg'd. Islington (London)
TAPPER - Henry John
NEVILLE - Elizabeth
SMITH - Diana Sarah
WILD - Silas
[Census returns seem to indicate that Silas WILD had a wife named Elizabeth - so probably the Elizabeth NEVILLE above ? ]
Deaths - 1866 -- Reg'd. at Camberwell
TAPPER - Henry J. - aged 36 years (bc 1830)
Haven't found Diana TAPPER on UK census after 1861 -- and there doesn't appear to have been a re-marriage in UK for her.
next >
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Diana Sarah SMITH
1851
Greenwich, Kent
59 Bennett Street
SMITH
- John T. SMITH - head - 48 - Waterman - b. Greenwich
- Catherine - wife - 48 - b. Bexley, Kent
- Eliza F. - 24 - dau
- David B. - 17 - son - apprentice (waterman ?)
- Richard C. - 14 - son
- Diana S. - 12 - dau
- Ann M. - 9 - dau
- Millicent A. - 6 - dau
- Alice C. - 4 - dau
[All chilldren born Greenwich ]
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1861
Greenwich St. Alphege - Greenwich East
2 Morden Place
SMITH
- John T. - head - 58 - pilot - b. Kent, Greenwich
- Catherine - wife - 58 - b. Bexley, Kent
- Richard C. - son - 24 - waterman
- Diana S. - dau - 21 - unmarried - milliner
- Millicent - dau - 16
- Alice C. - dau - 14 - dressmaker
[All children born at Greenwich ]
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Baptism
St. Alphege Greenwich - Co. of Kent
Diana Sarah SMITH
Born : 23 April 1839
Baptised : 5 June 1839
D/o John Thomas and Catherine SMITH
Occupation - waterman
Resident at : Bennett Street.
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Other baptisms for children of above couple :
Eliza Frances SMITH (bc 1826) / Catherine Ellen SMITH (bc 1832) / David Barter SMITH (bc 1834) / Richard Charles SMITH (bc 1838) / Ann Margaret SMITH (1841) / Millicent Emma SMITH (bc 1844) / Alice Catherine SMITH (1847) :
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Many thanks to Beg, Ian C, Lu , Minnehaha and Lucy 2 for your great responses to my query. (I hope I didn't miss someone!) Much appreciated!
I need to ponder on all the information you have sent me.
Also, Diane Tapper is not the only NZ puzzle regarding the wives of Thomas William Stilling. At least, I have been shown that he actually married Diane. Thankyou!
He fathered another child in NZ with Lady(?) Charlotte Florence STRATFORD! Again no record of a marriage can I find, just the birth of the child 1 May 1871 called Florence May Georgina Stilling/Stratford, #1871/9737.
The "story" is that Charlotte went back to England to visit her mother and died there, leaving infant Florence May in NZ with a "cousin".
I have parents' names for Lady Charlotte: Earl Mason Gerard Stratford (1784-1849) and Countess Mary Arundel (1810-1875).
I know that daughter Florence May Georgina married Ernest Henry Kilmister, 1907 NZ #1907/5225.
Thomas Stilling: Well, he sailed on to Noumea, then to Sydney. That's another part of the "story".
HBelle
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Mmm ... "Lady, Charlotte Florence STRATFORD" ... I see there are numerous trees online which mention her "supposed parents".
PapersPast has some items which seem might link to "Mrs STRATFORD" . ???
[I note the newspaper articles concerning the welfare of Thomas Wm. STILLING's sons, and which mentions his other children who lived in Christchurch / Auckland / Greymouth, also make reference to a "Mrs STRATFORD". ] Possibly Mrs STRATFORD was the mother of the child living at Greymouth ???
http://paperspast.govt.nz
"Grey River Argus" (Published at Greymouth)
- 3 October 1872 -- Page 3 / column 1
... offering a reward for the return of a lost envelope containing a photograph of a gentleman, and on which is written "Hon. Byron STRATFORD". Contact Mrs Florence STRATFORD, Retreat Hotel :
~ Lu
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This advertisement too (- just selected at random).
"Grey River Argus" - 10 September 1872 - page 3 / col. 1
MRS FLORENCE STRATFORD
Milliner, Dressmaker and Mantle Maker
Retreat Hotel, Sefton Street
Machine work done.
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This article mentions Thomas William STELLING and an order made for monetary support of his child, following a complaint from Florence STRATFORD.
"Grey River Argus" - 31 August 1871 - Untitled
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A number of the children of Mason Gerard Stratford (a rather controversial figure: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Colin/Misc/Stratfords/Stratfords12.html ) were baptised in Italy in 1850 (see familysearch.org), including a Charlotte and a Byron.
From newspaper records, Byron Stratford joined the Navy as a Clerk's Assistant in 1853, by 1861 was Assistant Paymaster on the Orlando.
In 1864 there was an accident at Tunis, on the 3rd November, when a cutter belonging to the HMS Orlando overturned in a squall; eight officers, three seamen, and a marine were lost, the coxswain being the only man saved. Byron Stratford, assistant paymaster, was among the deceased officers. He is listed as Hon. Byron Stratford in a death notice published in January 1865.
This does lend some weight to the connection between Florence Stratford in NZ and Charlotte Stratford the daughter of Mason Gerard Stratford. Newspaper records also show that three of the sons were in Leghorn and in some trouble in 1851/2 relating to some secret society hostile to the Tuscan government and connected with Mazzini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Mazzini ): Henry, called "Lord Aldborough", aged 23, sentenced to 10 years (originally sentenced to death), Charles, set free (originally sentenced to a year's imprisonment), Edward, 19, sentenced to 6 years (originally sentenced to death)
One record mentions that although they were considered the sons of the Earl of Aldborough during his lifetime, they were never able to prove their legitimacy, and were left "without much resource" upon his death. Another mentions that although "Lady Aldborough", their mother, was at home when their residence was raided in 1851, two daughters had just a fortnight before been sent to England.
One of the daughters is probably Olivia Stratford, in later censuses in England born Belgium, and listed among those christened in 1850. Another record from 1852 mentions "Lady O", one of two supposed daughters of the Earl of Aldborough, regarding poor treatment at the Sisters of Mercy in Plymouth, after they had arrived there from Italy.
A Charltte Stratford appears on NZ passenger immigration lists in 1865 at familysearch but the site is misbehaving right now so I can't access the full details.
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Had also tried earlier to access that "misbehaving" website ... but it's up and running, now. :D
Assisted Immigration to Canterbury, New Zealand per the vessel "Mermaid" - arrived (Canterbury) 1 January 1866 :
Charltte (abbrev.) STRATFORD
Aged 20 years (bc 1846) - Dressmaker - Single
County of Origin : Not stated
[The year of birth of this Charlotte is consistent with that given for the daughter of Mason Gerard STRATFORD. The occupation (dressmaker) is also a match for the Florence STRATFORD living at Greymouth. ] ???
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http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
From here I think the two girls who arrived in 1851 are:
"Lady Georgina and Lady Olivia Stratford"
(don't know what happened to Georgina but maybe Olivia was the one in London who Florence went to see after her daughter's birth?)
One of their brothers who was involved in that trouble in 1852, Charles Alexander Stratford appears to have moved to Australia (arriving on the Sea Nymph in 1853), and died in Victoria in 1892.
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Mom and daughters :
1861
Chertsey - Surrey
58 London Street
GERRARD
- Mary GERRARD - Head - Widow - 50 - b. Gloucester, Dursley
- Charlotte GERRARD - 19 ?* - unmarr. b. Italy, British Subject
- Mary GERRARD - 16 - unmarr. - B. Italy " "
- Georgina GERRARD - 28 - unmarr. - Governess - b. Germany
[* Age has been struck through on image, hard to read... maybe age is 17 ? bc 1844 ?]
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Georgina GERRARD
1871 - Middlesex, Heston, Spring Grove
- unmarr. - aged 36 - b. "Aix la Chappelle, PreuBen ?" (?1881 image gives this place as "Prussia" )
- British subject - Occupation - Head of School
1881 - Georgina GERRARD - 47 - at Kent, Tonbridge, 14 Garden Road - Annuitant
[ Christine NELSON - 67 - servant & Caroline NELSON - 9 - visitor, at same address. ]
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DEATHS - SEPT - 1904
GERRARD - Georgina Stratford
Reg'd at Chertsey
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Not finding anything for Charlotte (Florence) in UK records. :
Seem to recall reading somewhere ?? ... that mother (Mary, nee ARUNDEL) had died in Italy. ???
* If Charlotte was visiting her mother, had she gone to Italy to see her, rather than to the UK ?
* Is Charlotte's death maybe recorded in Italy ... and under the name of GERRARD / GERARD. ???
~ Lu
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England/Wales - National Probate Calendar :
GERRARD - Georgina Stratford of Harrishaw's-farm, Bagshot, Surrey - spinster - died 12 August 1904 : Probate LONDON 14 September (1904) Esther HOLMES (w/o James HOLMES)
Effects: L (pounds) 136-8-2d :
[Will could mention family members ?]
DEATH - July 1904 - Chertsey, Surrey
Georgina Stratford GERRARD - bc 1833
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Many thanks to jorose and Lucy2 for all the interesting snippets of research, adding to what others have contributed as well.
About 10 years ago, I corresponded with a man in Sydney who is descended from Lady Charlotte Stratford. (I haven't been able to make contact with him recently) She was his g.g. grandmother. From Lady Charlotte, to her daughter Florence May Georgina Stilling/ marr. Kilmister, to their daughter Dorothy Olivia Stratford Kilmister. .
He said Charlotte was born in Leghorn Italy c 1845. He placed her death at c1875 London? (note the ?)
The information that jorose sent was interesting, regarding a problem that caused the children to scatter. Victorian shipping index lists:
Henry Stratford, age 18 and Edward Stratford age 21, per "Rip Van Winkle", arr. Nov 1852, Port B.
Also: Peter Stratford age 19, & Henry Stratford age18, per "Sea Nymph" Port B
Interesting that second wife Diane Tapper was a miliner and third "wife" Charlotte Stratford was a dressmaker. Since Thomas Stilling was a draper,
maybe they supplied goods to his shop(s) and that is how he met them.
HBelle
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I'm researching the Australian Police case 'The Somerton Man', aka Carl 'Charles' Webb, and I came across your posts when searching for Mason Gerard Stratford's offspring.
The Somerton Man's wife, Dorothy Jean Robertson (b. 1920), was the daughter of Alice Stratford (c.1896-1980) and John Comber Robertson (1894-1989).
Alice was the daughter (or granddaughter, her birth record is missing) of Charles Alexander Stratford, Mason Gerard's son.
Charles Alexander arrived in Australia in the Sea Ranger in November 1853, one year after his brothers, Edward and Henry (aboard the Rip Van Winkle, 1852).
He and brother Henry Mason had a hotel and store in Avon Plains, west of St. Arnaud, Victoria between c. 1870-1892 (when he deid), where his chidren with wife Wilhelmina Louisa (sometimes called Louisa Wilhelmina) Reither (many typos) were born.
I don't know what happened to Charles and Henry Stratford between 1853 and 1870, apart from a post on RootsWeb (now defunct) by member Helen stating that they carried goods to gold miners in the Castlemaine area.
to be continued...
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The historical narrative states that the eldest son of the 5th Earl of Alborough Mason Gerard Stratford with second (or third) wife Mary Arundell was called Henry, and that he called himself 'Lord of Aldborough'.
Evidence gathered from Trove (Australian newspapers) shows that Edward Stratford, who arrived in Australia in the Rip Van Winkle with brother Henry in 1852, was actually called Henry Edward Stratford. As his other brother was Henry Mason, he was probably known as Edward.
British newspapers from the 1851-52 period state that the 3 Stratford brothers, Henry (23), Charles (21), and Edward (19), had been sentenced to death or prison, but then had their sentenced changed to exile and they were sent off to Australia. The ages don't match, except for Charles, probably born in 1830.
The daughter of the British Vice Consul at Leghorn, Italy, Mary Thompson has a recollection of the Stratfords.
"Now I must speak of Lord Aldborough and his family [Mason Gerard Stratford 1784-1849, buried in the New English Cemetery of Livorno, NdR]. He must have been, to say the least of it, a very peculiar man, who lived in a large house in Leghorn in the Via dei Condotti [nowadays Via de' Larderel], on the opposite side to where the Macbeans lived. Mr Alexander Macbean was Papa’s chief at the Consulate. He was the Consul, and Papa the Vice Consul. Well Lord Aldborough had a very large family, there were three grown-up sons and one quite a lad, and two grown-up daughters, and one about 13 or 14 I fancy and a little one. During their Father’s lifetime there were some dreadful quarrels among the young men, and one of them shot at another. Papa was sent for, to call them to order. It seemed strange at the time to me, why the parents could not manage to quiet their own sons without having a comparative stranger sent for. Anyway I believe Papa succeeded. Some time after Lord Aldborough died [Oct. 15th, 1849, NdR], and it was found out that the so-called Lady Aldborough [Mary Arundell, NdR] was not entitled to the name. There had been three wives, and the first one, the real Lady Aldborough was alive [Teresa Davenport, NdR], and all these young people were illegitimate. Lord Aldborough had had a great objection to having his children educated. One daughter Charlotte was for some time at the same school as Helen and myself, but sent by the mother without Lord Aldborough’s consent or knowledge. After his death all the daughters and some of the sons used to join a Sunday class held by Mr. Sleeman, the Clergyman, in the Church. Then the tree eldest sons got into great scraps by joining some Italian secret revolutionary society. They were seized and thrown into a fearful dungeon, in a fortress at the entrance to the Leghorn inner mole. Helen may remember that fortress, as she has been in Leghorn since my time, and I still remember it.
Then there was the great correspondence between the British and Italian Governments, the British trying to get these three young men out of Italy. Papa, of course, had a great deal to do with it, and at last he got them out, only to ship them off to Australia. I do not know if they ever saw their mother or their sisters. Evidently, they educated themselves, as, many years afterwards I met one of them as Warden or Chief Magistrate of some of the New Zealand Goldfields. Of course they were all badly off, for all that their Father left went to the first wife and family. The so-called Lady Aldborough came to live in the same house that we did for some time, then went to England. She gave us 6 beautiful French cups and saucers; my cup got broken, but I have kept the pieces. I afterwards had it mended and put together."
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cont.
The passenger lists available on PROV (Victoria Public Records), have two different records, one shows passengers Henry (21) and Edward (18) Stratford arriving in the Rip Van Winkle in Nov. 1852, and the other shows Edward (21) and Henry (18) Stratford bound to Port Philip and Liverpool, NSW, aboard the Rip Van Winkle, leaving Liverpool, England, in July 1852.
A notice published in The Argus (Melbourne), Sat 3 June 1854, page 2, Advertising, corroborates my suspicion that Charles' older brother was Henry Edward Stratford.
"CHARLES A. STRATFORD, who arrived last November in the Sea Ranger, is requested to send his name in full, and address to H. E. S., office of this paper."
Mary Thompson thought she met Henry Stratford in New Zealand 'as Warden or Chief Magistrate of some of the New Zealand Goldfields', but I think he was another Henry, called Henry Aldborough Stratford, according to this newspaper notices.
“POVERTY BAY HERALD, VOLUME XXVIII, ISSUE 9261, 26 SEPTEMBER 1901 Mr H. A. Stratford, S.M., of Dunedin, gazettes a change of his name in the following terms : —”I, Henry Aldborough Stratford, of Dunedin, in the colony of New Zealand, barrister-at-law, do hereby give notice that, in compliance with the request of the Honorable Lady Henniker, and out of love and affection, I have assumed, and intend henceforth upon all occasions and at all times to sign and use and to be called and known by, the name of Augustus with and before Henry Aldborough, and the surname of His Excellency the Right Honorable Lori Hartismere — Stratford-Henniker — in lieu of and in substitution of my present surnames of Stratford.
https//paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PBH19010926.2.35?query=stratford-henniker&sort_by=byDA&items_per_page=10&snippet=true
Australian Town and Country Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1870 – 1919)
Sat 1 Apr 1882
Page 23
NEW ZEALAND.
DISSATISFACTION AT KUMARA.—A large number
of miners assembled by announcement at Dilman’s
Town on March 3, and hold an indignation meeting
to protest against the vexatious delay occurring by
tho present conduct of business of the warden’s
court ; also to take into consideration the advisa
bility of forming a Board for Kumara. The follow
ing resolutions were passed almost unanimously :
” That in the opinion of this meeting the indifferent
mode of administering mining law and the conduct of
mining business by the warden, Mr. H. A. Stratford,
at Kumara, (...).
MY QUESTION: Do you know how Henry Aldborough Stratford (NZ) and Henry Edward Stratford (NSW) are related?
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I've just read a post by Chuck on another thread that Charlotte Florence Stratford went to NZ after her father died and she was living with Henry Aldborough Stratford-Henniker, a nephew of Lord Henniker.
So maybe he was her 'cousin' who looked after her daughter May Georgina Florence when she went to England to visit her mother and eventually died?
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MARRIAGE.
Mataura Ensign, Issue 1000, 4 February 1902, Page 2
'A. H. A. Stratford-Henniker, nephew of the Right Hon. Hartismere Straford, Slaney, Co. Wicklow (Lord-in-Waiting) to Margaretta Eliza, daughter of Edmund Wickes, Esq. Westland.'
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Obituary -- Mr. A.H.A. STRATFORD-HENNIKER
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM19061201.2.14
~ Lu
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Thanks, Lu.
Augustus Henry Aldborough Stratford-Henniker's grandfather, Brydges Trecothic Henniker, was the brother-in-law of Edward Augustus Stratford, the 2nd Earl of Aldoborough, married to Brydges' sister Annie Elizabeth Henniker.
Edward Augustus Stratford, 2nd Earl of Aldborough was the brother of Benjamin O'Neale, 4th Earl of Aldborough, who was the father of Mason Gerard, 5th Earl of Aldborough, and grandfather of his children, Henry Edward (hopefully), Charles Alexander, Henry Mason, Byron, Charlotte, Anne, Jane, Georgina, Olivia, Mary and Thomas (according to a Geni tree admin by Peter Davidson, no sources).
So, was Henry Aldborough Stratford-Henniker a third cousin of Charlotte? ???
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Hello PatLac ... welcome to RootsChat. :)
I received an alert that a further posting had been made to this thread, but I'm afraid I'm a little bit lost as to what it is you are wanting to know ... (other than the one question you've posed at Reply # )
It appears that the person who started this thread > HBelle > has not been active in this forum since 2017, so possibly you may not receive a reply ?
Happy to endeavour to help you if you have further questions. ;)
~ Lu
Ooops ... just noticed your incoming post ;D ... but will hit the Send button regardless.
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Lu,
I was hoping that someone would come up with new information on Henry Edward Stratford, as he is probably one of the brothers of Charlotte Florence Stratford who has been mentioned in this thread.
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Hi again
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE74184762
^ This is the link to the Probate File for A.H.A. STRATFORD-HENNIKER. He died in France.
It contains a copy of his death certificate > partially written in French > but gives the names (in English) of his parents (from what I can make out ... I've only quickly browsed the document).
~ Lu
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Lu, thanks so much for the link!
Maybe I should start a new thread asking for information on Henry Edward Stratford? He was quite known in New South Wales (lots of notices on Trove), but there are many inconsistencies regarding his age and nothing about his parents.
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Hi PatLac
.... Yes, it's possible someone might be forthcoming with additional information (re: Henry Edward STRATFORD) ... replies to threads are not always immediate though. ;D
~ Lu
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Thanks, Lu. I'm patient ;D
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Lu, thanks so much for the link!
Maybe I should start a new thread asking for information on Henry Edward Stratford? He was quite known in New South Wales (lots of notices on Trove), but there are many inconsistencies regarding his age and nothing about this parents.
Yes ... splendid idea. :)
Set up your new thread on the Australian RootsChat board ... but also include a link back to this New Zealand thread (for reference).
Good luck.
~ Lu
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Lu, thanks so much for the link!
Maybe I should start a new thread asking for information on Henry Edward Stratford? He was quite known in New South Wales (lots of notices on Trove), but there are many inconsistencies regarding his age and nothing about this parents.
Yes ... splendid idea. :)
Set up your new thread on the Australian RootsChat board ... but also include a link back to this New Zealand thread (for reference).
Good luck.
~ Lu
Will do, thanks again :D
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What are you actually looking for now?
All this information is on your Cipher Mystery page:
https://ciphermysteries.com/2023/11/17/on-the-trail-of-dorothy-robertson
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What are you actually looking for now?
All this information is on your Cipher Mystery page:
https://ciphermysteries.com/2023/11/17/on-the-trail-of-dorothy-robertson
Precisely because the members of that blog aren't interested and this forum looks to me to be the best place for a lively discussion.
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Merlin,
I want to know if Henry Edward Stratford, who lived in Melbourne around 1854 and moved to New South Wales and lived there until his death in 1890 is the son of the 5th Earl of Aldborough and consequently brother of Charles Alexander Stratford, the grandfather (or great grandfather) of Dorothy Jean Robertson, the wife of Carl Webb (The Somerton Man).
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I know the OP is not around, but I'd like to register my findings regarding the posts about Mary Stratford (Gerrard) and her daughter Charlotte Stratford (Gerrard).
According to the West Surrey Family History Society website, both died (or were interred) at Lambeth, St. Philip, on the same day, 16 Aug 1875, under the surname STRATFORD. I've sent them an email requesting more information, but the person responsible is on hols until early April.
Georgina Stratford Gerrard was buried at the Bagshot Burial Ground, St. Anne's Church, in 1904.
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I know the OP is not around, but I'd like to register my findings regarding the posts about Mary Stratford (Gerrard) and her daughter Charlotte Stratford (Gerrard).
According to the West Surrey Family History Society website, both died (or were interred) at Lambeth, St. Philip, on the same day, 16 Aug 1875, under the surname STRATFORD. I've sent them an email requesting more information, but the person responsible is on hols until early April.
Georgina Stratford Gerrard was buried at the Bagshot Burial Ground, St. Anne's Church, in 1904.
The person hasn't replied yet, but this date is probably from other Mary and Charlotte, because other Stratfords have the same date attached to them.
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Morning all,
I have sent an advisory PM to the original poster, HBelle, in the hope that they are still around. They were last logged on in 2017, so don't get your hopes up :-\
Regards,
Spades
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Thanks, spades! Fingers crossed!
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May Georgina Florence Stilling Stratford
1871–1951
Birth 1 MAY 1871 • Greymouth, West Coast, New Zealand
Death 17 MAY 1951 • Paihiatua, New Zealand
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/171621896/florence-may-kilmister
Kilmister is where i entered the research for this family.
Leonard 'Ernest' Henry Kilmister was first married [1900] to Alice MAud Sanders. They had 3 children. She died in 1905. He married May Georgina 'Florence' Stilling Stratford in 1907 & had 3 more children.
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Hi Margaret,
I'm inclined to think that Charlotte Florence Stratford's death mystery is somehow linked to her sister Olivia Stratford's whereabouts around 1875. Her mother Mary, and sister Georgina, were living in Spring Grove, Heston (Isleworth) in 1871 (census), but Olivia is nowhere to be found. She only appeared from the 1881 census onward, living in Paddington.
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Florence Alice May Tapper Stilling birth rego is 1869/10966
NZBDMs: 1869/10966 Stilling Florence Alice May Tapper Sarah Thomas William
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One newspaper ad of Mrs. TAPPER (Dinah Sarah) after she married Thomas William STILLING (11 Feb 1868).
Page 1 Advertisements Column 7
Otago Daily Times, Issue 2031, 28 July 1868, Page 1
Mrs. Tapper begs to inform her Friends and Public, that she is prepared to take Millinery and Dressmaking, and also every description of Machine Work, on moderate terms. Address: - Corner of Maitland and Steep streets, Dunedin.
And I wonder if Alice Mary TAPPER, born c. Dec 1865 in Greenwich and died age 1 c. Sep 1867 in Greenwich was her daughter with Henry John Tapper?
Strike that. Mother's maiden surname RENDELL.
This one is more promising:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TAPPER, ERNEST HENRY JOHN SMITH
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 359
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Found this on Ancestry but having trouble confirming it. somebody else maybe able to find it. maybe married to a Joseph Brell: thx
Florence Alice May Tapper Stilling
Birth
1869 - New Zealand
Death
23 Aug 1906 - 314 Victoria Street, Darlinghurst
Mother
Dinah Sarah Smith
Father
Thomas William Stilling
Born in New Zealand on 1869 to Thomas William Stilling and Dinah Sarah Smith. Florence Alice May Tapper Stilling passed away on 23 Aug 1906 in 314 Victoria Street, Darlinghurst.
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this date is not her: people keep getting her mixed up with Florient 'Thomas' Arthur W Stilling
B:1896 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
D:23 Aug 1906 Sydney, New South Wales
who had the same father but mother was Eliza Annie Smith. Grrrrr:
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Family trees on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FamilySearch, etc without sources (official or from relatives) are often unreliable, unfortunately.
It seems that Diana/Dinah Tapper/Stilling had been using her husband's name to buy goods after all.
Otago Daily Times, Issue 2065, 17 September 1868, Page 2
In the case Walls v. Stilling, a claim of L4 16s, for goods supplied to the defendant's wife, judgment was given for the defendant.
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I can't order the birth certificate right now, but maybe she could be Diana Sarah Tapper's daughter?
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TAPPER, SARAH IDA FLORENCE SMITH
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 350
If she is Diana's daughter, Diana was already pregnant when she married Henry Tapper in June 1864.
I couldn't find any other references to Sarah Ida Florence Tapper and Ernest Henry John Tapper.