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Title: Frank Ayres
Post by: andmar on Friday 23 March 12 21:08 GMT (UK)
I have found the record of Frank Ayres who I believe to be my Great Uncle on the passenger list of the SS Ruapehu.It sailed from London to Wellington on 18 Feb 1909.
Can anyone advise me where to start looking to trace him. At the time he was single man aged abt 27 and he may have joined the military as he had previously served in the British army for 8 Years.

Any help much appreciated, Andy.
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: spades on Sunday 25 March 12 22:04 BST (UK)
Hi Andy, and welcome to the New Zealand Board.

His name doesn't appear on Archway, the search engine of Archives New Zealand.
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/

Are you able to provide any more information about him such as date and place of birth, occupation, marriage, etc.?

Spades
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: Thamesite2017 on Monday 26 March 12 03:49 BST (UK)
There are some Frank Ayres in Electoral rolls, some have middle names, some none

Have you looked at the shipping image, does it give an occupation or where he is from?
Bye
Althea
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: andmar on Monday 26 March 12 09:48 BST (UK)
Hi Spades and Althea,
After going back and checking the passenger list I think I might have added 2&2 and made 5. On the list it states F.Ayres not Frank. I must have assumed it was Frank as everything else fits. He is listed as English,  travelling alone and a labourer but no address.
He was born at Charlbury, Oxon in 1882 and enlisted in the army in 1900 and served 8 yrs in S. Africa and India. After discharge he applied to go to New Zealand but as he was on reserve he had to get permission from the army.It was a copy of this application plus the fact that I cannot find any marriage or death records that made me think he went to NZ.
The only time he appears on census is 1991 aged 9 living with his g.parents in Gloucestershire.

Cheers, Andy.
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: spades on Monday 26 March 12 10:24 BST (UK)
Hi andy,

Are you able to provide the URL for the passenger list if it's on-line?

Have you considered British Army personnel records. If he was on reserve the file might show where he went and might record his death or other information.

Spades
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: andmar on Monday 26 March 12 12:28 BST (UK)
Hi Spades,

the passenger list:

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListShowTranscript.action?uvn=626000064&vsn=49&_zga_s=1

WW1 pension records:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=britisharmy&h=36212&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t22504501_p1249475118_kpidz0q3d1249475118z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

These are the only army records I can find and although they are under WW1 pensions I can find no record of him serving in WW1.

Andy.
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: Thamesite2017 on Monday 26 March 12 18:42 BST (UK)
so is that a UK war pension?
so you could follow that record and get address details, to cofirm what country
Bye
althea
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: Thamesite2017 on Monday 26 March 12 18:50 BST (UK)
passenger list image
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12435-5760-86?cc=1609792&wc=9352230
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: andmar on Monday 26 March 12 19:31 BST (UK)
Hi Althea,

No, his records are in the WW1 pensions collection on Anc.... but there is no mention of a pension.
On discharge his intended place of residence was Charlbury but the following application was from Stow on the Wold.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1114&path=A.Ay.Ayr.1047

Andy
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: Thamesite2017 on Monday 26 March 12 20:11 BST (UK)
okay that record collection name is misleading by ancestry it implies its after WWI but it is signed by Frank 23/1/1909 prior to hi departure to NZ,
so this more likely then confirms the Feb 1909 voyage under F Ayres and
maybeeeeeeeeeee then fits with a labourer that was later on NZ electoral roll

As a member of ancestry have you searched the later NZ Erolls?
bye
Althea
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: andmar on Monday 26 March 12 21:44 BST (UK)
The only one I can find is a Frank Ayres living with a widowed Lily Ayres who I assume must be his mother so that would rule him out. This is in 1919 in Palmerston.
I'll keep looking.

Andy
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: spades on Monday 26 March 12 22:05 BST (UK)
Hi Andy,

Have you considered the possibility that he moved on to Australia. Then, as now, there was a frequent flow back and forth across the ditch.

Spades
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: andmar on Monday 26 March 12 22:26 BST (UK)
I hadn't thought of that but I will start looking in Oz.

Andy.
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: Beg Clonrode... on Monday 26 March 12 22:52 BST (UK)
Hello...

Do you have the names of his parents.

And, out of interest, is his birth the one listed on FreeBMD as being in 1882 in  Wolverhampton (which is quite a way from Charlbury)

Regards
Beg
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: andmar on Monday 26 March 12 23:05 BST (UK)
Yes his parents were William and Emily Ayres and he was born in Charlbury.
I know quite a bit about him up until he applied to go to NZ. The query is did he go to NZ and if so what happened to him  when he arrived.

Cheers, Andy.
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: Thamesite2017 on Tuesday 27 March 12 04:00 BST (UK)
From the electoral rolls you could conclude he didn't stay
as Andy found, only one name match

Best to try Australia..or back in UK
Have you accessed the rest of his UK war record

Bye
Althea
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 27 March 12 12:33 BST (UK)
I have a Frank Ayres b in the Cambridge area in 1887 no other details unfortunately. Possibility?
Title: Re: Frank Ayres
Post by: andmar on Friday 30 March 12 12:32 BST (UK)
Just to say thanks to all who replied to this post. I haven't found out what happened to him yet but still looking.

Thanks, Andy.