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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: whisky on Monday 19 March 12 00:48 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any information for Gregory DEBNEY who married Margaret FALLON, farmers, Galway, son John DEBNEY b. abt 1816 and emigrated to Australia.
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I am looking for more information on this as well, they are my 4th great grandparents.
Gregory Debney (born 1795 Galway)
Married Margaret/Margarita Fallon (born 1796)
they had one son, John who was born 1816 when Gregory was 21 and his Margaret was 20.
John who emigrated to Australia in 1834, at age 19 yo where he lived his life as a farmer and also opened a general store in the booming gold rush era of central Victoria.
When John Debney was 62yo he married his shop assistant Sarah Lawrence who had emigrated from Hertfordshire UK with her 8 children from a previous husband (who had deserted her and the kids)
They had 2 more children together.
John Debney passed away at age 80yo.
I've found all this so far on ancestry.com but it doesn't go back any further than Gregory Debney (born 1795 Galway)
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John Debney and Sarah Lawrence's first daughter together, Mary Ann Debney (born 1850) is my 2nd great grandmother. Their second daughter was Emma (born 1851)
Mary Ann Debney married James Campbell Muir (born 1843, Renfrew, Glasgow, Scotland) who had emigrated to Australia with his father, a ships captain.
Mary and James Muir lived in the goldfields of central Victoria, Australia and had 15 children.
Their daughter Mary is my maternal great-grandmother.
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I noticed you have "Muir, Graham, Coulthorpe, Argyle, Renfrew, Glasgow" in the bottom of your post.
I wonder if that is any relation to my 2nd great grandfather
James Campbell Muir, (born 1843 Renfrew, Scotland) who married Mary Ann Debney in Australia.
I don't have any family information about James Campbell Muir.
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Gregory Debney would be a VERY unusual name for Ireland.
Could he have been a soldier?
There are no Debney entries in the Griffiths Valuation or the Tithe Applotments.
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thanks so much for your post, it has been such a long time since I looked up Rootschat. No, John Debney was not a soldier, thanks for looking, Whisky
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I can only find one person in the whole of the 1901 Irish census with the name Debney. She was a Maggie Debany, born and living in Belfast:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Easton_Cresc/961479/
Apart from the fact that the surname Debney (and variant spellings) is unknown in Galway and almost unknown in Ireland generally, your other problem is that very few parishes in Co. Galway have any records for the early 1800s, so there may not be a record of this couple’s marriage in Ireland to find.
Perhaps Debney is a corruption of some other name, though I can’t really suggest what that might be.
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I can only find one person in the whole of the 1901 Irish census with the name Debney. She was a Maggie Debany, born and living in Belfast:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Easton_Cresc/961479/
To me Maggie's surname looks more like Deleaney but since it was written by her employer the spelling might not be correct- Delany?
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000317036/
There are some Daubneys in 1911 but not from Galway. 1901 has one D'Aubney (born in Scotland) and one Daubney.
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Thank you for your reply, perhaps John Debney's father was English and he married an Irish girl, Margaret Fallon, quite possible I think. Whisky
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I know of Dabneys in Ontario (one visited us in Ireland but don't think we discussed family origin). So, I went to Family Search, put in 'dabney' as surname and #ontario' as place. Then selected births in U.K. then 'ireland'- only 7 results-
A Mary Daboney born c1805 Co. Tipperary, Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDRW-W3R
A Bessie Debney born c1891 Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6RST-Y8M2
A Maggie Daubney born in Ireland (daughter Julie Brennan born c1821 Ireland)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JXNM-3MC
A Robert Daubney born c1885 Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9P-N298
A James Dabnay born Ireland (son James born 1890 Detroit, Michigan)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP71-733S
Other two results not relevant.
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Thank you for your kind reply, the surname is definitely DEBNEY, perhaps he originated in Engand, certainly somewhere in the UK but not, it seems, Ireland, although I believe he was born there, in Galway.
His mother wasd Irish for sure, Margaret Fallon. many thanks, Whisky
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It's only fairly recently that spelling of names became standardised but even now different branches might use different spellings. The Irish are especially good at variations of both Christian and surnames and it's not uncommon to find old documents with more than one spelling applied to the same person on the one page.
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Thank you for your kind reply, the surname is definitely DEBNEY, perhaps he originated in Engand, certainly somewhere in the UK but not, it seems, Ireland, although I believe he was born there, in Galway.
His mother wasd Irish for sure, Margaret Fallon. many thanks, Whisky
Where does this information come from? Are the parents and placename on John’s Australian records?
Griffiths Valuation shows a Thomas Dibney in Caherlissakill ,Monivea parish, Galway
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
In Tithe Applotment records, however, there is a Michael Diveny there.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
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Yes, amount on Australian records, he went to Adelaide in South Australia, and eventually ended up in Victoria, I did get some records from South Australia, personally, and have visited the cemetary in Victoria where he is buried, the local history records were good.
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Thank you. I hope you don’t mind my repeating the question -
I meant are there definite records which specify his parents as Gregory Debney and Margaret Fallon and his place of birth as Galway. Or has that information just been passed down through his family.
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Hello again, I originally found his records on Ancestry, and Australian records here. Records here show he was on a ship and hopped off in Adelaide.
Thanks again for your interest. Whisky
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Thanks.
I saw the records later in a published tree.
If that is John on the ‘Queen of Sheba’ in 1852, it mentions a wife and two children. It says, 1 male and 1 female child - although they are dittoed from the previous entry.
If that is Sarah, though, where are her other children?
I was just wondering if there are Adelaide birth/baptism records which might help.
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As I understand it, John Debney's 2 daughters were born in Australia, Mary Ann and Emma.
I found the records of their birth I also found the records of John Debney's birth in Galway.
Just wish I could find more, thanks for your help though. Whisky