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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: chrissiecruiser on Sunday 18 March 12 21:45 GMT (UK)
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Please can anyone help me ???
I am looking for the ship and date my family came to australia.
Charles, Susanah and 9 of his 10 surviving children emigrated to South Australia in late1848 or early 1849. The last on followed in 1849.
He was a yoeman farmer at "The Priory Farm"in Stoke-sub-Hamden, Somerset...Charles Cave Esq.
There seems to be no record in australia about his emigration (I have had searches done by the Nat library of aust and state library of SA, as well as doing my own search of passenger records.
State library seems to think that as he was a gentleman of means the family came here privately, unassisted.
Are there any records/registers in England/Somerset which would cover this emigration?
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Could you give us his full name please ??? We have what I think his her maiden name but what was his the Surname?
Did they have any children born here and do you have some proof as to when he actually came out with his family? Also was her first name spelt Susanah or Susannah?
Thanks Neil
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Hi
Is this the correct Charles Cave ?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12901401?searchTerm=charles cave passenger&searchLimits=l-decade=184
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36251578?searchTerm=charles cave &searchLimits=l-decade=184
Muss
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Obit to his son William Kendall Cave says the family arrived in the 40's.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6475478
(very hard to read :( )
Other mentions of Charles Cave and family in trove (which mention Stoke)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=%22charles+cave%22~2+stoke&sortby=dateAsc&s=20
cheers,
Ros
(love the picture)
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Can't help with your query but couldn't help remarking on the co-incidence - my niece has a house next to that farm at Stoke sub Hamdon; i think her house is actually part of the stable area of the farm. There are some nice old houses around there and the countryside is lovely.
Judith
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This is off-topic too - but interesting and could possibly be related to your family - a grandson?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2254045
In 1931 an Australian man Charles Cave who is living in Somerset loses his memory when visiting Perth, Scotland and is identified by his wife (Ada Day) from his tattoos.
cheers,
Ros
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Thankyou all.... :)
Firstly
the Charles Cave in Perth is no relation, I have encountered him in my search several times.
Ros, the house in Somerset blew my mind when i saw it the first time, just lovely!
I do have the obit, and the names are
Charles Cave (I do not know of a second name)
Susanah Darby (Susan on the gravestone)
Muss, I do not know if this is my Charles cave, there were quite a few but his son William Rendall Cave-Kendall on cert, was appointed co-liquidator of the Commercial Marine insurance Co in Aust in 1884.
I do have Charles death cert 1850 and the State Library in Adelaide provided information on a search to say he was a farmer at sturt here at that time.
Several references allude to them travelling in 1848/9. His son John Darby Cave travelled here on board the "Appleton" (2 mast brig) arriving 21 June 1849 just prior to his sister, Mary being married here.
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Don't know if you are aware of a one name study of Cave,just google cave family.There are also a number of public trees on Ancestry.
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We forgot to say ...
Welcome to rootschat! :D :D
Yes it's a wonderful house - Judith's niece is very lucky.
cheers,
Ros
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You're not wrong Ros - the house is lovely. Looks like one of those in English country living mags.
Do you need info re their earlier life - I see five of the children's baptisms in Stoke parish church.
Other baptisms are at Bower Hinton Chapel in Martock, Somerset
John Darby CAVE baptised 3 Mar 1822
Susan, baptised 4 Jan 1823
Martha born 29 Aug 1832, baptised 28 Sep 1832.
Jane born 03 Jul 1834, baptised 21 Aug 1834
Lucy b 7 Feb 1836 bp 4 Mar 1836
Bower Hinton is apparently a Methodist chapel, trustees of which are William and John DARBY - perhaps relatives of Susan(nah)?
I note also these neighbours (next household) in 1841. No occupations given for these.
John Rendall 20
Mary Rendall 20
Amelia Rendall 13
Judith
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Hi
You may have this information
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/57299911?searchTerm=charles cave&searchLimits=
Muss
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Information re the parsonage farm in Stoke.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66503
The Robinsons, the Rodbards, and the Hawkesworths were all absentee landlords, and the parsonage estate was farmed by a succession of tenants. Members of the Chaffey family held it from 1762 at least until 1815, (fn. 144) followed by Francis Stroud, 1818–20, (fn. 145) Charles Cave, 1820–47, (fn. 146) and William Darby, 1848 at least until 1875.
Judith
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Hi again to you and thanks for your ears!!!
John Churchill Rendall and Amelia (not sure about Mary) were Charles Cave's niece and nephew. They are the children of Charles Rendall/Randell and Phebe CAVE.
The family all seems very close,as the name Rendall then became a "Family" name in my line where it was the second name of some male children.
And yes the Darbys were Susanah's brothers. William Darby took over the lease of The Priory Farm when Charles gave it up in 1847 and stayed on the land until at least 1875.
This is what makes me think that Charles still lived there until emigrating.
Hey judb, you stole my thunder!!!
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;D Ask on this forum and usually we can ferret out all sorts of info! ;)
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:D :D :D
Yes and Mary was another sister to Susanah, so she also lived next door!
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Hi Muss,
yep got that all too ;D
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It's that couple of years 1847-1848-1849 that elude me in which the family packed up and found a ship to take all but John Darby Cave at once to Aus.....he followed and arrived here just prior to his sister, Mary marrying in Adelaide.
???
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Do you have the article mentioned in Muss's find that describes their journey? It says that the Observer 13/07/1907 has an account of Charles Cave journey in 1849.
I don't know whether they mean The Observer (from London) or is there an Observer in SA which is yet to be digitised?
I must admit that I tried to look in the London Observer but there is only an edition (a digital edition that I have access to anyway) every week so the 14th but not the 13th
cheers,
Ros
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Hi
I think it is the SA Observer
Muss
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Possibly this one:
The Adelaide observer
Adelaide, S. Aust. : John Stephens, 1843-1904 Ref: The Observer 13 Jul 1907, p26, column 1
Will have a look when I'm next at the NLA which may not be till next week now. Someone else may be able to find it earlier. I suspect the South Australian state library would also hold copies.
Judith
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I did have the NLA and State Library of SA do searches for me, but the article leads you astray in 1907 and also the one in the 40's as it doesn't say much at all that they could find, just that they arrived in the late 1840's and he died in 1850.
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laterally thinking, would there have been a money trail??
State Library seems to think he paid his own way over privately as he was a man of means...Charles Cave Esq.
Would he have had a bank???
His business for the farm should be entered somewhere, thus his money also. ::)
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How disappointing about the 1907 article :( It sounded like what we all dream about - a detailed description of his trip here. The writer implied that he was just quoting a couple of snippets from a more detailed article.
Did you actually sight page 26 column 1? I just wonder if the librarians missed it somehow ???
As for the money-side - sounds a good idea but I wouldn't know where to start. No doubt some experts will come along shortly and suggest how.
cheers,
Ros
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Looking at 19th Century British newspapers there are a number of mentions of Charles Cave as an investment banker - similar to those already noted on TROVE. This is not the same Charles CAVE. The investment banker lived in Belgrave Sq London and was there well after the Somerset CAVE family had emigrated.
Judith
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Had a look at this:
The Adelaide observer
Adelaide, S. Aust. : John Stephens, 1843-1904 Ref: The Observer 13 Jul 1907, p26, column 1
but it was a column about Pigeon Shooting and Homing Pigeons!
It is a weekly paper (58 pages on Saturday July 13, 1907) and has interesting snippets from all over southern South Australia. I would guess that the item would be there somewhere but not on that date, coz I looked at every page. :( I could tell you who owned the hen that won the Rosewarnes egg-laying contest. :D
I did look at the week before and the week after but no luck. It would be great to see it digitised as there is so much inormation.
Judith
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;D ;D ;D
Hahaha lol judith!!! Ya gotta laugh! you know I think about this off and on all day at work, doesn't get me far though.
No Ros, i didn't sight the paper but had the NLA do a search for me to no avail.
Thankyou all for your help.
Chris
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It would appear that we are researching the same family. I'm interested in a granddaughter of William Rendall Cave who married a relative of mine. I won't name her because she may be still living.
Russell
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Hooray!
Hello Russell, pleased you popped up!
I have "met" four distant cousins since starting this tree and we have been able to help one another immensely.
Are you on ancestry? Mine is a public tree if you are interested.
I have much on William Rendall Cave and his children/grandchildren and as you can see am looking for emigration.
Where are you located?
Regards,
Chris
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Hi Chris
Can't help with the immigration I'm afraid. Only started looking at the Cave family this weekend when I found that two of my mother's cousins each married a Cave - unrelated as far as I can tell. I can be contacted directly on coop.gen at optusnet.com.au. I'm in Melbourne.
Cheers
Russell