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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jacqlineue on Sunday 18 March 12 08:42 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am having some difficulty tracing a girl in the 1891 census. She was registered at this school in 1890.
Her brothers are in a childrens home in 1891 and her mother is with her sisters. Her father John died in the workhouse in 1890.
The childs name is Caroline Elizabeth Hales and she was born 1884.
I have her birth certificate and she later married. I have also found her in 1901 and 1911 but she is elluding me in 1891.
I was wondering if this school would be somewhere she would be put as a boarder due to family circumstances.
Can anyone please help me find more information about the type of school this was.
Thank you
Jac
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Can we have more information about her family.
Is this her bapt.?
9/5/1884 Lady Margaret Church Walworth
Caroline Elizabeth Hales parents John & Mary Ann Hales 8 Salisbury Cres. occ. Tinman.
Jennifer
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Yes that is her baptism.
Her father was John Hales b. 1846 and her mother was Mary Ann Evans.
Her sisters were Emma Eliza b. 1888 and Eliuza born 1890.
Her brothers were James Joseph b. 1882, Frederck James b. 1879 and John Walter b. 1877.
The only one I have missing in 1891 is Caroline.
I hope this helps. This is what I found on her for 1890
Sleaford Street School Admission 30 Sept 1890.
Thanks for the help
Jac
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Hi
John Milton Primary School
Thessaly Road, Battersea, London SW8 5AH
Previously known as the Sleaford Road School. Opened 10 August 1874 in Battersea New Town. Closed July 2004
It would have been a London board school so named because it was run by a board not a boarding school. These were the first elementary schools for working class children created by the state through the Education Act of 1870.
http://www.victorianschool.co.uk/school%20history%20board%20schools.html
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda,
I am not sure where she would have been sent as I have no knowledge of the area. I suspect she was sent into a girls home or the workhouse as her brothers were. Can you advise of any that could be possible.
Thank you
jac
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Hi
If like her brothers she went into the poor law system (presumably Wandsworth poor law union) then Wandsworth union was a member of the North Surrey School District with other poor law unions.
'...In the 1890s, almost six hundred children in the care of Wandsworth and Clapham union were at the North Surrey District School at Anerley. Another hundred of the union's children were boarded out in various parts of the country, 80 were in institutions at Margate, 18 were at a convalescent home in Sandgate, and 100 were at Catholic schools. The union also sent many of its parentless children away to Canada....'
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Wandsworth/
The London Metropolitan Archives holds the North Surrey District School, Anerley registers of children (1867-1929).
She could also have been fostered out by the poor law union or not gone into the poor law system in the first place being placed with other family members (since her two sisters were with her mother in 1891) or placed with a charity which may have put her in a home in the London area or outside of London. She could have remained with her mother but was not with the family on census night and wherever she was she wasn't put down on the census form the household thinking her mother would include her on her census form.
Regards
Valda
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thank you so much for this information. I am at present tracing her fathers family to see if she was with any of them. I have a feeling she may have just been missed off the census.
Thanks again
Jac
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There's a Caroline Hall in the Foundling Hospital in Guildford Street, St Pancras District in 1891 about the correct age. None of the children have birth details so no way of corroborating her name, age etc. I don't know where this place is in relation to Wandsworth.
Hugs
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in 1901 there is Caroline Hales Piece: 416 Folio:43 Page: 26 56 Viceroy Road born Lambeth, General doestic servant to the Bersey family, does Lambeth tie in?
:)
ps Oh you found her in 1901 didn't you? ::)
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thank you but I do have the 1901. I am only missing the 1891 which is a shame but if I do not find her I will just have to continue without.
I am not sure about areas in London so think I may have to do some research into the possible districts in 1891 and download an old map.
thanks again
Jac
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Hello, I think your Caroline Elizabeth Hales is my grt Aunt. I have been searching for my grt Grand parents for many years with little success, even on this sight.
Caroline was the 4th child of John Hales and Mary Ann Evans, of them there is very little information, they appear on the 1881 census but Mary is named Maria she liked to change her name, she's Anna on the 1901 and I've recently found she was not married to Alfred Edwin Stagg, he registered her death as widow of John Hales Tinplate worker, so were she and John Married !!!!!
Its my Nana Emma Eliza on the 1891. Some of Carolines family are in Australia, her oldest son moved there.
Hope this helps, I have info on the rest of Carolines family.
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Hello there
Frederick James Hales is the brother of Caroline and he is my husbands gt grandfather. In the 1911 census his mother is named as Stagg. I will look through all my paperwork later and see what I have that my be of use. I am not sure what certificates I have as it is a while since I looked at this family.
Thanks for your help.
I am not sure if my Mother in Law has a marraige for Stagg but I will ask her.
Regards
Jac
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Pleased to help, as I say it's their parents John and Mary Ann I'm after. My tree is public on ancestry, its The Soilleux Family Tree, I hope its noww available I've been on to Ancestry but they say it will take a couple of weeks to update it to public as I've always had it private. All the info on there has been researched so is a true a you can get. Once on there I can tell you more, take care Jean.