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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: vernpres on Friday 16 March 12 17:54 GMT (UK)
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Hi Everyone. I am wondering if some kind soul would please look in Liverpool directories for my great aunt Ellen PRESCOTT who lived in Errol Street, Dingle Vale Road, and Hollywood Road at various times. She lived at 20 Hollywood Road when she died in 1971. It has been suggested to me that she might have gone there to live with a brother (who would have to be my long lost grandfather, John William PRESCOTT). I would like to determine when she moved to Hollywood Road, and who lived at #20 before she moved in.
I understand that electoral rolls might also be available and would list all residents of the household.
In review, I am interested in
any listings for Ellen Prescott 1945 - 1965
any listings for John William Prescott 1945 - 1965
any listings for 20 Hollywood Road
Thanks
Vern in Canada
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Hi
What you are asking involves a lot of time and effort which may be why you have not had any replies
It is impossible to find anybody on an electoral roll for that period without an address so only Hollywood Rd could be searched.
However - you are asking for a 21yr search for that address based on a death there in 1971. That's a lot of searching.
Do you have a copy of her death cert - who reported her death
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Thanks for your reply, Carole.
Sorry, it was not my intention to ask for a 21 year search. I simply thought that someone who had a directory or two in that time frame might do me a favour of a lookup of Prescotts and of Hollywood Road to help me narrow things down.
As for electoral rolls, I know nothing about them but someone had suggested them to me as a source.
Yes I have her death certificate and the informant doesn't help.
Again, I am sorry that people think that I have asked for extensive research and apologise for the request and hereby withdraw it..
Vern
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Hi Vern
Please leave your request open - you never know, somebody may be going to the records office in the future and may look it up for you.
I sent that info as I was just concerned that you may be wondering why you hadn't had any replies - particularly as Rootschatters are renowned for their speed in answering posts
Electoral Rolls are a better option for your query than local directories but they do restrict any search to Hollywood Road only
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I have discovered that Ellen PRESCOTT still lived at 20 Errol Street in 1949. So Ellen moved to Dingle Vale Road after 1949 and lived there a few years before moving to 20 Hollywood Road. I am really just trying to find out when she moved to Hollywood Road, and if there was another PRESCOTT living there when she moved in. I think I can safely cut the time period to about 1955 - 1965 at this point.
Electoral rolls are probably my best bet for that. I assume that Liverpool electoral rolls would be at the Liverpool Record Office. But, I wonder if they might also be held at the Lancashire Record Office in Preston?
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I would very much doubt they are also held in Preston.
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They are only at Liverpool.
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Hi :)
I asked a friend to check his directories for you and this is what he found
1958 #8 Dingle Vale Miss E Prescott
1962 #8 Dingle Vale Miss E Prescott
She wasn't at Dingle Vale in the 1955 or later in 1966.
So she may have moved to Hollywood Rd between 62-66, If you can get an electoral roll look up between these 4 years you may find the answer.
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Thank you very much for this information, Susie. It is exactly what I needed to narrow down her movements.
Vern
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Hi Vern
Just having another look at your post and wonder if we can help in any way to track down your elusive grandfather John William Prescott
I see Ellen was born 3.2.1880 according to her death reg. There are a couple of candidates on freebmd whose births were registered in the March qtr 1880 - Ormskirk, Prescot and Wigan. Suspect she is the Prescot birth
Were her parents Richard & Jane (nee Sherrington)
Can you tell us what info you already have on John William - birthyear/marriage etc. I can see 3 possible births in Prescot in 1883/84/90
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Thanks for the offer Carole. I think I will need to wait for the 1921 census to find my grandfather.
Ellen and John William's mother was Ellen PRESCOTT who never married. She is on the 1891 and 1911 Censuses and claims to be a widow. She misses the other census years.
Ellen senior had 6 children. I have birth certificates for all of them. I have baptism for the first 3 that say the parents are James and Ellen, but the birth certificates indicate that Ellen was not married. This is confirmed by other details. The children are:
1 Name: Ellen Prescott F
Birth: 18 Jan 1872 in 18 Beatrice Street, Everton, Lancashire
Death: 12 Aug 1872 in 9 Back Beam Street, Everton, Lancashire
2 Name: Elizabeth Ann Harrison Prescott F
Birth: 06 Mar 1874 in 23 Lambert Street, Liverpool, England
Death: 11 May 1963 in 3 Chorley Road, Hilldale, Wrightington, Lancashire
Marriage: 18 Oct 1900 in Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Baptism: 21 Apr 1874 in St Peters, Liverpool
Spouse: Thomas Bourn
3 Name: James Prescott M
Birth: 27 Jun 1875 in 3 Edge Hill Place, West Derby, Lancashire
Death: 1929 in Liverpool
Marriage: 02 Nov 1897 in St Gabriel's, Toxteth Park
Spouse: Hannah Harriet Hughes
4 Name: John William Prescott M
Birth: 19 Jun 1877 in 3 Edge Hill Place, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Marriage: 19 Jan 1897 in St Gabriel's Church, Toxteth Park
Spouse: Sarah Jane Stenson
5 Name: Ellen Prescott F
Birth: 03 Feb 1881 in 81 Railway Grove, Deptford, Kent, England
Death: 18 Mar 1971 in Liverpool, England
6 Name: Alice Prescott F
Birth: 10 Feb 1883 in 2 Court William Street, Toxteth Park, England
Death: Dec 1970 in Liverpool, England
John William and Sarah Jane had 3 children. Sarah Jane died of Typhoid in 1906 and John William left the kids in Liverpool and supposedly went to the United States and was never seen again.
However, there is a story that someone claimed to see him at his mother's funeral in 1938. Also, my first cousin told me a few years ago that he had been thought to be in the US but they found him living with his sister. Then there is the story that Ellen might have moved in with a brother. Hence, my query regarding Hollywood Road.
I have been unable to find my grandfather in the US, nor have I been able to identify a death in England. I have found a man that appears to be him on a passenger list about 1910, returning from the far east. But, I can't say for sure that it is him.
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Wowser - I can see your problem. If only he had been given a more unusual name than John!!
This is a longshot and may be of no use whatsoever at the end of the day
Deaths September qtr 1938
Ellen Prescott aged 85 Liverpool South 8b 79
Do you have her death cert - if yes - what was her actual date of death?
I wonder if there was an obituary notice for her in the local paper and whether it mentions John. If he was dead/abroad by then - it may refer to him as "dec'd" or "USA"
As I said - it's a longshot!!
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I have the death certificate and death notice, as well as burial information.
Death Certificate - Dated Sept 20, 1938
Sept 17, 1938 at 15 Crump Street, 85 Years old, Widow of James Prescott Able Seaman
Cause of Death: Myocarditis and bronchitis accelerated by bruising of the chest & ribs accidentally caused by falling in the kitchen on the 31st ultimo
Informant: Certificate received from G. C. Mort Coroner for Liverpool Inquest held Sept 19, 1938
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Burial
Ellen was buried at Allerton Cemetery in Liverpool on Wednesday, September 21, 1938. Her grave site is # 1168 in General Section 9, order # 42374. There is no headstone and no one else is buried in the grave. The owner of the grave is Alice Prescott.
As you can see there is no mention of my grandfather.
John William was a house painter at one point (probably worked for his father in law, Thomas Stenson who was a house painter). He is also listed as a Fireman somewhere. The person I found on the passenger list was a Fireman. I tried contacting the shipping line but they had no information.
Family legend has it that he went to New York and was painting ships on the docks in Brooklyn when he had a fall and was hospitalized. He supposedly wrote to his mother for bith certificates of the children so he could claim compensation for dependants. She did not respond, saying that he was never any good!!! Since the children were born 1899 - 1905, I assume this would have been about 1910 - 1915.
Closely knit family!