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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Offaly (Kings) => Topic started by: minmich on Wednesday 14 March 12 04:07 GMT (UK)
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GRENNAN / COGHLAN / MOLLOY / DALY / Offaly, Tullamore, Rahan, Killina area.
I am curious about a photo I have with Grennans and Coghlans in it. They are standing in front of a store. On the window it says E. Shepherd (Confectionery on one window and Tobacco & Cigars on the other)
They were from Tullamore, Rahan Area. Does anyone know how to search for this store or tell where it was located? Or can anyone identify any of the people in the photo? I can only be positive of the girl on the left being Alice Coghlan (went to US in 1905). The tallest man in back is James Grennan (went to US in 1903). I looks like it was taken just before James came to the US. Some of the other men are Grennan Brothers (Edward b. about 1867, William b. 1874, Peter b. about 1881, Daniel b. 1883, and father James b. 1834) Their mother was Winifred Daly but I don’t know when she passed away.
If anyone has any ideas I would love to identify everyone and match the names with the faces. . . . Thanks M
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Are you sure it was taken in Ireland? are there any photographer's details shown on front or back? the wooden siding and louvered shutters at the top look 'foreign' not Irish to me.
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No noting on the photo. I thought the same about it not being Ireland because I havent seen any town photos with trees in ireland. I may have to rethink who these brothers are. They may be cousins in the US.
I also wondered about the Y flag.
I have other Grennan brother photos. I will put some on here later.
Thanks. . . M
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We actually do have trees in Ireland, even in towns and cities.
Think you might need to check the places in America where it could have been taken.
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The building doesn't look Irish to me either - wooden facing on the upper floor, no sign of bricks ..
something slightly unusual - there's what looks like a thermometer to the left of the door ...
Shane
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Headstone in Clonminch cemetery Tullamore.
Jack
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something slightly unusual - there's what looks like a thermometer to the left of the door ...
... but not unusual for America or Canada especially in early 1900s :)
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Thank you for the photo of the headstone. Colm was my mothers cousin. Colms Father Edward was brother to my Grandfather James Grennan.
I never knew any of the relatives from Ireland. I got a lot of information from Ron Johnson married to Mary Grennan. They are in Chicago, Illinois area. If you have any more Grennan photos, Id love to see them.
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You still haven't mentioned where in America "Alice Coghlan (went to US in 1905)" lived :-\ it would be nice to see if we can find the location of the store
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Sorry My electricity went off and I couldnt get back on here. It even sent my last post before I was finished with Grennans.
Back to Alice Coghlan Grennan b. 1881: daughter of Mary Costello and Charles William Coghlan. Kings County
Brothers: Patrick b. 1876 (lived in New Rochelle, NY) I got that off Alices 1905 emigration
Charles William b. 1886, (Came to US 1901 to be with his uncle Patrick Costello in Manchester, Michigan)
Sisters: Mary Coghlan Morgan b. 1877 (Came to US to be with sister Alice in Massachusets)
Rose Coughlan b. 1885 (Came to US to be with Uncle Patrick Costello in Manchester, Michigan)
So it's really hard to tell where that photo was taken but now I'd have to guess. New Haven or Ansonia, Connecticut because of the Y on the flag. Which probably stands for Yale University.
I thought it was Ireland because of the other men that I thought were brothers in the photo. However, of the 6 Grennan brothers I think only Peter and James were alive and in US at that time. James,Peter. I will put some pictures on here and maybe someone will know who is who.
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This is a photo that belonged to James Grennan. (Son of James Grennan and Winifred Daly.)
On the back it just says "My sister and grand son" I dont know which sister it
would be. Does anyone recognize her?
Mary married to John "Murrough" Molloy
Bridget married to Mehael Grennan (her 1st cousin)
Margaret married to Thomas "Ross" Molloy
Winifred I dont know if she was married
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This photo says "My sister Maggie Ann on the back" So this would be Margaret Ann Grennan married to Thomas Malloy. Daughter of Winifred Daly and James Grennan.
Does anyone know more about her?
If anyone wants the photo larger I can send it to you.
This Photo belonged to James Grennan in the US
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On the back of these photos it only says "My Neice"
These Photos belonged to James Grennan in the US
The only nuns I could find in my tree were:
Sister Kevin, Therese Grennan, daughter of Edward Grennan and Margaret Grogan.
Sister Fred, Winifred Grennan, daughter of Margaret Grennan and Thomas Molloy.
Does anyone recognize her? It would be wonderful to have names for these people. And thank you for looking
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This is a photo of James Grennan (seated) and three of his brothers (I think).
I'm assuming the younger one is Daniel Grennan. Lived in Dublin and worked at a Bakery and did not marry. So if this is Daniel, this photo was taken in Ireland.
The other Brothers would have to be Edward and Peter. Does anyone know for sure what their names are? I can only guess. I suppose they could also be cousins. The more I learn the more questions I have.
I'm giving them these names by process of elimination because I have been told that :
Joseph was murdered in Derby, CT early in 1897
William Apparently "fell" out of a window shortly before he was to be ordained.
Probably Ansonia, CT about the same time.
Anyone recognize them?
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This is a photo of James Grennan (Taller man on left) with another man. Does anyone know him? They look like they could be brothers.
I cant tell if this one was in the US or in Ireland
I sure wish I'd have asked these questions 45 years ago.
I don't know if anyone can identify any of these photos but I appreciate you looking at them and trying.
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Regarding the first picture, I see in some Ansonia city directories from around 1903-1910 that there was a Mrs. Emma Shepherd who owned or worked in a confectionery. Maybe that's the store they're in front of?
I see a sign on the tree and the window that says Moxie - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie - so that seems to fit with a location in New England.
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Sorry I didn't answer sooner. I was out of town. Right it says MOXIE. It's on the tree too. I didnt know what Moxie was. I even thought maybe on the tree it was ROXIE. Thank you I appreciate your help. Especially finding the E. Shepherd. I imagine you are right. It's Connecticut. Now that changes a few people in the photo that I was guessing at.
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Just sent you a PM. I know where this house is.
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Clonminch graveyard Tullamore;
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Jack
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Clonminch Graveyard Tullamore;
Jack
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Clonminch GraveyardTullamore;
Jack
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Clonminch Graveyard Tullamore;
Jack
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Clonminch Graveyard Tullamore;
Jack
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Headstones in Clonoghill graveyard Birr;
Jack
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Mary (May) Grennan; Cappanetle; 11/6/1978 (70)
hus-Michael; 7/11/1983 (75)
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Seamus Grennan; Newbridge st Birr; 5/3/1993 (77)
wife-Margaret; 31/5/1998
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Margaret Grennan; Crinkle; 1/6/1949 (76)
hus-Peter; 3/12/1958 (87)
dtr-Teresa; 21/12/1944 (31)
son-Peter; 31/3/1986 (78)
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Jack
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Thank you. I dont know how they connect with my family but it is nice to have other pieces to this Genealogy puzzle. Its so nice to have others help with all this. It's too bad there is a big big ocean between the US and Ireland. Merry Christmas :)
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Just came across this post today. Are you still trying to trace the Grennan family? James Grennan married a great aunt of mine. She was born in 1904 so you may be able to place this James into the tree. These Grennans came from Rahan (as did my grandmother). I have this branch of the Grennan family documented. If you want, I will transcribe it and send it to you.
Gerry ;)
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Hi Gerry,
Thanks for answering my post. Its been so long since I wrote on here it took me a while to figure out how to answer you back. If you have any Grennan information, I'd love to see it. James my Grandfather was born in 1879 and married Alice Coghlan. There are many James in the family but I'm interested in everyone. I hope I attached the photos correctly. This James came to the US about 1903. Lived in Ansonia, Connecticut then Jackson, Michigan. Died in 1964 Alice died in 1966 (Both in Jackson, Michigan. One photo is their wedding photo in 1909 the other is of James and his brothers, probably before he left Ireland. You may get this more than once. I had a terrible time making this attach and send. Thanks for writing to me
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First let me say Moxie was definitely a New England thing.
I am interested in Grennans and Goreys - possibly from Tullamore[?]. I believe they left Ireland and arrived in Canada in 1869. They are as follows:
RICHARD (Patrick) GOREY born about 1833 in Ireland and died Dec 1897 in Johnville, NB, Canada
NOTE: Johnville was a town started by a Catholic priest for Irish immigrants to St John, NB Canada
Richard was married to ELLEN GRENNAN born Nov 8, 1833 in Ireland and died Aug 27, 1918 - for some reason she is listed as Margaret on son Patrick's death certificate. She is the d/o Patrick Grannon and Elizabeth Duffey.
NOTE: son Patrick lists parents as from Athlone, Ireland (County Westmerth?)
Children of Richard and Ellen:
**Michael GOREY was born about 1854 in Ireland and died about 1928. Did not move to Johnville, but do not know if he stayed in Ireland or went elsewhere
**Elizabeth GOREY was born about 1855 in Ireland and died Aug 20, 1933. She is my gr-gr-grandmother. She married Oct 13, 1883 to John MALLOY born [somewhere in Ireland] April 8, 1859 and died Dec 8, 1915.
**James GOREY was born May 1857 in Ireland and died 1938.
**Patrick GOREY was born Aug 17, 1859 in Ireland and died Feb 10, 1942 Johnville, NB
**Richard J GOREY Jr. was born Aug 16, 1867 and died 1939
**Ann GOREY was born October 1874
**Martha GOREY was born Nov 25, 1880 and died Aug 8, 1954
No idea if my Grennans are related to any of your Grennans but Tullamore is not far from Athlone so I thought it was worth posting. Any info on any of these people would be greatly appreciated.
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I have looked through the names you have and I don't have any of them No GOREY in my papers. You are right in that they are probably related with the name of GRENNAN and coming from Tullamore, Rahan area. It is really difficult when they all named their kids the same family names over and over. I have a John MOLLOY m. Mary Ellen GRENNAN in 1894 but it cant be the same person. Probably all the same with the MOLLOY name being close but not exact. My grandfather James Grennan came in to CT. My grandmother Alice Coghlan into NY. I know they were married in 1909 but I've never found out where. I have pretty much come to a dead end on my Irish family. I wish you better luck.
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Headstones in Clonoghill graveyard Birr;
Jack
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Mary (May) Grennan; Cappanetle; 11/6/1978 (70)
hus-Michael; 7/11/1983 (75)
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Seamus Grennan; Newbridge st Birr; 5/3/1993 (77)
wife-Margaret; 31/5/1998
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Margaret Grennan; Crinkle; 1/6/1949 (76)
hus-Peter; 3/12/1958 (87)
dtr-Teresa; 21/12/1944 (31)
son-Peter; 31/3/1986 (78)
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Jack
I wonder if anyone can help? I am looking at the household of Peter and Margaret Grennan on the Irish census for 1911. They have a relative with them called Evelyn Bright and I am trying to establish what relation she is to either Peter or Margaret. It would be so simple if Margaret's maiden name was Waters, but I can't find a marriage entry. Any help gratefully received.
Many thanks
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It would be so simple if Margaret's maiden name was Waters, but I can't find a marriage entry.
But Margaret's maiden name was Waters.
Here's the Marriage to Peter Grennan - 5 November 1906 at Birr RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10147/5692179.pdf
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Hi
Could Evelyna Bright, born Crinkle in 1890 to Arthur and Bridget Bright (nee Waters) be the lady you are looking for. See:-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02429/1904616.pdf
Regards
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Could Evelyna Bright, born Crinkle in 1890 to Arthur and Bridget Bright (nee Waters) be the lady you are looking for. See:-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02429/1904616.pdf
So she was 20? rather than 17. ???
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Hi
Ansteynomad must decide on her age.... and whether it could be the person she's looking for.
Regards
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Is this Evelyn in 1901 aged 11 as Evaline
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Birr__Rural_/Military_Road_/1461311/
I’d be more inclined to think she is Margaret 65 granddaughter, I’ve often seen grandchildren as niece or nephew.
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Thank you.
I couldn't find the marriage entry. I've not really done any Irish research before.
Now I know I'm in the right place, I'll have a proper look.
Thanks again