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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Squirt on Tuesday 13 March 12 21:43 GMT (UK)
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Hello to you;
My Great Great Grandfather and Grandmother were married in the St Thomas Parish Church, on July 6, 1863.
Charles Dearden (full age) to Mary Anne Donnelly (of minor age).
Charles Dearden's father was Samuel a Mill Servant. Mary Anne's father was John Donnelly and his occupation was a tobacconist.
Witnesses at the marriage were Francis Donnelly and Jane Donnelly.
At some point Charles and Mary Anne must have moved to Louth as this is where three of their children were born.
Hugh John Dearden - April 15, 1864 - Drogheda St Peters
James Joseph Dearden - Dec. 21, 1869
Joseph Dearden - Jan. 17, 1875
I have found Joseph (my Gr. Grandfather) on the 1901 Census. He was in Lancashire, England at this time.
I have no clue what became of the other two boys and their parents Charles or Mary Anne.
Any help would be beyond appreciated. Thanks so much!
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From www.familysearch.org this looks like a possible death record for Mary Anne. Age seems about right.
name: Mary Anne Deardon
registration district: Drogheda
event type: DEATHS
registration quarter and year: 1875
estimated birth year: 1845
age (at death): 30
volume number: 17
page number: 369
Worth applying to the GRO in Roscommon for a
€4 copy. See instructionshere:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html
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Also www.rootsireland.ie has, as well as baptism records for James and Joseph, an 1868 baptism in Louth for Mary Jane Dearden, daughter of Charles and mother maiden name Donnelly.
Finally, Hugh may have had a twin John, according to familysearch.org
http://goo.gl/aN26R
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I have had a look this morning and found out a few things that may help
Based on the death of Mary Anne I wondered if Charles would have moved or remarried
There is a Charles Deardon living in Yorkshire on the UK census returns from 1881
1881 in Pickering, Turn Hill, Hartoft With Turnhill, Yorkshire with a Watson Family; shown as a widower and a clogger (wooden shoemaker) aged 40
1891 at Spires Farm, Morley Terrace, Cropton, Yorkshire as head with lodgers aged 50
1891 at Middleton Road Southside, Middleton alone aged 60
no obvious match in 1901
There are no children listed on any of these records
However they all show him as born in Rochdale and if you go back to the 1841 census; in Green, Rochdale, Wuerdale & Wardle; there is a Samuel Deardon aged 20 a labourer with his wife Betty, same age with a 4 month old Charles; also listed are Alice 15, Betty 13 and Sarah 8 presumably his sisters.
There is a marriage record in 1840 Rochdale, Lancashire Jul-Sep Vol 21 Page 420 for Samuel DEARDON with a possibilty of 4 matches one being Betty WIDDUP others Ann, Alice or Rebecca.
There seems to be no immediate sign of Hugh, James or Mary Jane either in England or Ireland.
I would think the record that looks like Hugh having a twin is only referring to his middle name but equally wouldn't rule it out.
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Thank you so much for getting back to me and the information you have given me. I do have the birth certificate for Hugh John. There was no twin brother as I had thought that as well.
I didn't have the information of when Mary Anne passed so this is fantastic. I also didn't have any of the information in regards to Charles being in England in various census.
I so appreciate your kindness.
Thank you both so much!
Cas
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That looks very good Myluck. Charles is described as a Clogger also on his marriage record:
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4aaad70582727
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Well done Myluck - that was fab work !
Just to add
I see Joseph Deardon on the 1891 census as a 15 year old boarder / scholar in Uppingham England.
It would appear that there is a chance that his mother died in childbirth or shortly after.
Charles then moved to England and put his son into boarding school.
Tara
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Gosh Squirt,
I just googled Deardon and it looks like you family have been searching a LONG time on a LOT of different forums for Joseph and his father Charles.
Shame you didn't come here first, and sure it would have been resolved in minutes.
Another success story guys :)
Tara
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Thanks so much Tara!
I do wish I had found this board earlier. I've been looking for years for this side of my family.
I am going to order Mary Anne's death certificate and see what she died from. I think you are right in saying child birth.
I NEVER knew that Joseph was in a boarding school in 1891. I managed to find him in 1901 and 1911. Everything prior to that was a road block.
The one thing I can't understand, is where Joseph's siblings are, perhaps they were put into different boarding schools by their father Charles. Grasping at straws, I know.
Why can't I find Charles on an earlier census with his father Samuel. Charles would have only been 10 years old in 1851.
So many questions, but this board is wonderful and I thank you and everyone else for your kindness. You really are experts at doing this. There is no way I could have done this myself.
Sincerely;
Cas
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Ok So,
A few more bits,
This MAY be Charles' death, but there was another Charles Deardon living in Rochdale.
Charles Deardon
Birth abt 1841
registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1917
Age: 76
district: Rochdale
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e Page : 75
This is him in 1841 in Rochdale
Samuel Dearden 20
Betty Dearden 20
Charles Dearden 4 Mo
Here is Charles on the 1851 census in Elton Lancashire (God help him, he was out working age 12)
Betty Daarden 33
Charles Daarden 12
Joseph Daarden 11
John Daarden 4
Thomas So 2
Eli So 21
Sarah So 18
Margaret So 16
Jane So 16
I have left their surname as it was transcribed also the ones that say 'so' it's actually ditto
There is a possibility for him in 1861 in Wuerdle and Wardle - boarding with what looks like cousins or other relations
In 1881 'myluck' gave you
In 1891 'myluck' gave you
In 1901 he is still alone in Midleton working as a Clogger
I don't think all of the 1911 census are available yet so it's possible he was still alive.
It's possible that his other children died in infancy and their deaths just weren't registered, this was fairly common at the time.
Tara
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Here's Charles in an 1890 trade directory for Cropton township in Middleton:
Deardon Cha., clogger, Spiers cottage
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Middleton/Middleton90Dry.html
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Do you know the way I was saying that I think I saw Charles Dearden in Wardle on the 1861 census boarding with other Deardens.
Well, I think this may be where he learnt his trade of 'clogging' before leaving for Ireland.
The attached link has a great article about Wardle where there is a brief mention of clogging but also there is the most fabulous picture of Joe "Clogger" from Wardle in 1930, so you can see exactly what Charles would have looked like at work :)
http://www.link4life.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=c.showPage&pageID=1039
Tara
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This looks like Charles' birth
1840
DEARDEN Charles
Wuerdle and Wardle
Rochdale
REF WUW/2/317
Tara
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As well as the 1840 one, there's a second one listed but this time in 1841, per www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEARDEN Charles Wuerdle and Wardle Rochdale WUW/2/317
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEARDEN Charles Wuerdle and Wardle Rochdale WUW/3/59
I can see from www.freebmd.org.uk that both the 1840 and 1841 births were in Qtr 1 of each year.
Going back to Reply#3, myluck shows that Samuel and Betty are listed on 1841 census (date of which was 6 June 1841) with a 4-month old Charles. So the Q1 1841 birth seems most likely.
Here are Samuel and Betty's marriage details from www.familysearch.org
groom's name: Samuel Dearden
bride's name: Betty Widdup
marriage date: 28 Sep 1840
marriage place: St.Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: Charles Dearden
bride's father's name: George Widdup
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I want to thank you all for helping me so much. You have opened up a new window for me, when I've been having the door shut on my for years.
I'll be ordering some certificates and hope it will take me a little further.
Again, with all my thanks for your time and especially your kindness and support.
Sincerely;
Cas
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Hi Cas
Glad to be of some help
Best Of Luck
Tara
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Glad to be of help too Cas
I've found here on Rootschat that a trouble shared is usually a few new relatives!
Continuing good luck
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It's so good to get a message of appreciation back. Thanks for that Cas.