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Wondering if anyone can advise me of a site that I can find on which ship George elsmier Matthews and his wife Martha Browning and their daughter mary Elizabeth sailed to Australia on in 1854 i really would like to know if the diembarked at Portland or Melbourne Thank you Lynne
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Hi Lynne,
I have separated this from a thread on the Cornwall Board as it appears unconnected to that thread. Moved to Australia Board.
George Elsmer MATTHEWS was a coach builder from Wolverhampton Staffordshire. He had more children than you mention.
The family arrived as unassisted immigrants aboard the NORTH ATLANTIC which sailed from Liverpool to Melbourne arriving 18 July 1853
http://210.8.122.120/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=23
Port B Fiche 044 Page 008
family listed as
MATHEWS G E 36
MATHEWS M 26
MATHEWS G B Child (Further indexing suggests age 5)
MATHEWS M M Child (Further indexing suggests age 1)
MATHEWS M 1
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4794735
1851 census
HO107/2018 Folio 528 Page 11
Darlington Street
Wolverhampton
MATTHEWS Geo E Head 34 b Wolverhampton Staffordshire Coach Builder employing 7 men
MATTHEWS Martha Maria wife 23 b Wolverhampton
MATTHEWS George son 3 b Wolverhampton
MATTHEWS Martha Dau1 b Wolverhampton
From something you said in another of your threads
I would like to know if there is a site i can bring up to find the ship that George Elsmier matthews and his wife Martha Browning and their daughter Mary Elizabeth sailed to Australia on in 1854 a daughter was born on board by name of hesibah Ellen but she died at sea i really would like to know if they disembarked at Portland or melbourne
It seems Hephzibah did not die at sea - Martha and Hephzibah Ellen both appear to have died in Victoria in 1854
Martha Maria MATTHEWS aged 26 parents Samue BROWNING and Mary MEEDINGS 1854 661
Hephzibah Ellen MATTHEWS aged 7 months parents George Elsme MATTHEWS and Martha Maria BROWNING 1854 280
Cheers Kris :)
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Thank you Chris for all your info however I am still a bit confused as after georges wife martha died in 1854 he then married Margaret Hall in melbourne in 1856 and had at least one child by the name of Margaret this is where Mary elizabeth spent 20 years of her life with her half sister Margaret Philps and she died in 1930 in Castlemaine Vic giving her birth date as about 1851 also compulsory rego for births did not come in in Vic untill 1854 so i do not know where she was born I thought if they had disembarked at portland Vic Mary elizabeth may have been taken in by a possible relative John and Mary Matthews Thank you Chris i will keep searching
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The death index shows Staffordshire Martha's place of birth.
Hepzibah's place of death on the death index is AT SEA.
This marriage certificate should list the number of living and deceased issue of George's first marriage. Occasionally the chn's names are mentioned.
Marriage
MATTHEWS George Elsmer
HALE Margaret
1856 Reg#1926
Births
MATTHEWS Hephzibah Ellen
Father George Elsmer Mother Margaret HALE
at Prahran 1857 Reg#5157
MATTHEWS Margaret Hannah
Father George Elsmer Mother Margaret HALE
At Prahran 1858 Reg#16134
This death certificate would note Mary's place of birth and her years in Australia.
Death
MATTHEWS Mary Elizth
Father Matthews Geo Elsmer Mother Martha BROWNING
At Castlemaine 79 1930 Reg#8841
Images of certificates can be purchased online and immediately downloaded from
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Cheers :)
Cando
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Hi Lynne,
There are several online trees on sites such as WorldConnect.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
They provide a birth date for Mary Elizabeth just after the 1851 census. It seems the original poster of this information had numerous certificates. Some of these trees date to 2001.
Re Hepzibah's death: These trees state she died in Collingwood 14 Jan 1854 of Exhaustion and that family tradition stating she died at sea is incorrect. This death date is nearly 6 months after the ships arrival. I would suggest you download the certificate to confirm.
Cheers Kris :)
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Kris the Diggers Pioneer index clearly states place of death as AT SEA. This would be transcribed from the register. I wonder if the registration date was 14 Jan 1854. I agree with your suggestion to purchase the cert.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Thank You Kris and Cando for your help I will check death cert for mary Eliz poor thing she was blind when she died and no mention of her family I wonder if the daughter born as Martha is her but thank you anyway i might follow up the search on her brother George and his family and see what that brings Bye for now Lynne
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This appears to be her birth
Births Sep 1851
MATTHEWS Mary Elizabeth Wolverhampton 17/441
Cheers
Cando
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Hi,
I have just come upon this thread. I am directly descended from George Elsmer Matthews through his son George Browning Matthews. Have just returned from Beechworth Victoria AUS where I tried to do some research about him, since he lived there and worked as a railway inspector. He died there in 1895. He migrated as given earlier in the thread in July 1853 (http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_results?searchid=23&format=freetext&FamilyName=mathews&GivenName&Ship=north%20atlantic&Month=0&Monthto=0&Year=0&Yearto=0&SearchSortField1&SearchSortField2&SearchRecords=50&x=50&y=16 under "Mathews") with his wife Martha nee Browning and four children - George Browning Matthews, Martha Maria Matthews, Mary Elizabeth Matthews and (not listed) Hephzibah Ellen Matthews. I have Hephzibah's death certificate and it states that she was born at sea on the passage from England and she had been in Victoria for 5 months. She was 7 months old when she died on 14 Jan 1854 in Condell Street Collingwood. Her mother Martha Maria Matthews died almost three weeks later on 4 Feb 1854 also in Condell Street Collingwood from dysentery. Her children were stated on the cert. as George 6, Martha 4, Mary 2 and 1 daughter dead. Her age when married is given as 17.
George Browning married Sarah Ann Savage, Martha married Philip Tracey and Mary who was a nurse didn't marry. George Elsmer went on to marry Margaret Hale and they had three daughters, Hephzibah, Hannah Margaret who died in infancy and Margaret Hannah.
I'm happy to provide more information if required.
Cheers
Leonie
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You may have seen the PROV digitised will for George MATTHEWS, retired public servant, of Beechworth, died 17 May 1895.
The papers state that his place of residence was Clifton Apiary, Melbourne Rd, Beechworth and formerly of Williamstown. The will is dated June 1886 when he lived in Williamstown and he states his occupation to be'carriage inspector'.
He leaves his house in Yarra St Williamstown to his wife Margaret Matthews for her lifetime and then it is for his daughters Mary Elizabeth Matthews, Hepzibah Ellen Matthews, Margaret Hannah Matthews 'as long as they shall remain unmarried or shall live'. The house is then to be sold and everything divided equally among his children. The farm in Beechworth is to go to daughters Hepzibah and Margaret, and the piano (after his wife's death) to Mary.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Judith
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Thank you leonie19 and judith for your information I am still not sure what happened to the child elizabeth matthews who was left at the ballarat benevolment assylum by mary matthews in 1862 when she picked up her other 2 children Annie and Rebecca it stated that elizabeth had been taken and employed by a Mr and Mrs Reid which according to searches many people would come to the assylum and take children for their housekeepers. and many years of searching showed nothing so i thought she may have been taken in by Mary and John Matthews when her mother died. Only other item i found was a Miss E Matthews on board the ship HOLMSDALE which left Melbourne March 1867 and also on board a Mr and Mrs Reid ship was bound for London.So i have perhaps given up a bit at searching as over the past few years nothing has emerged. Thank you
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Thank you Judith for the information about George E. Matthews's will. It's great being able to download wills like this at no cost. From what you've written Lynne, it seems that you are looking for people in a different Matthews family. The Mary Matthews you mention who had children at the Ballarat Assylum may have been married - though not necessarily. The Mary Elizabeth Matthews in my family did not marry and I believe that she had no children. I shall send for her death certificate for further details.
Cheers
Leonie
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Sorry leonie you have misread my message The mary Matthews that left Elizabeth at the Ballarat Assylum was married to john Matthews. the Elizabeth left behind i thought may have been your Mary Elizabeth who had been taken in by Mary and John at the death of Mary Elizabeths mother but John and mary may have just called her elizabeth so as not to confuse her with mary the wife of john.I hope that is a better message.
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Obviously the last post on here was some 5 years ago, but is anyone who has posted still active.
George E Matthews was my Great-Great-Great Grandfather. I have a photo or two of him and obviously details of my fork of the family if anyone is interested.