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Title: Where born?
Post by: rapsy on Monday 12 March 12 17:22 GMT (UK)

Anyone know where Carlton something or other is?
The 1851 census for Gowdall has my ggg grandfather Edward Rhodes, widower, age 72, agricultural labourer, born at Carlton ---- can't make the rest of it out.
His two sons,George and Benjamin and daughter Susan are with him.
The ref is HO 107  2350 and 439 in the top right corner.
  Rapsy.

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 12 March 12 17:29 GMT (UK)

I think it says Carlton nr Ponten?

But I can't find that!! ;D

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 12 March 12 17:37 GMT (UK)

I wonder if it is Carleton which is just below Pontefract.  The Pontefract having been abbreviated on the census.

Mo

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 12 March 12 17:40 GMT (UK)

This is what it says on the form:

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: avm228 on Monday 12 March 12 17:44 GMT (UK)

In 1861 the same Edward Rhodes (now aged "80" and still in Gowdall) gives his birthplace as Norton: RG9/3530/27/3.

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: suzard on Monday 12 March 12 17:47 GMT (UK)

I think it says "Carlton nr Ponte (then 2 little marks and a small t above)

So I think it should read " Carlton nr Pontefract

which would "fit" with this baptism

Pontefract St Giles
3 Oct 1780
Edward son of Benjamin and Elizabeth Rhodes . Carlton

Suz

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: peppertide on Monday 12 March 12 17:52 GMT (UK)

Hello…. could you scan the whole page?……on the top it usually says the district and parish etc….I will look, and you have too,no doubt, at the surrounding information…
Thanks…. cos I dont have access to records at the moment..had to put my ancestry on hold for now… tho ,I can look tomorrow at the family history center…I am up for helping anyway I can….

Sal

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 12 March 12 18:01 GMT (UK)

We aren't supposed to scan whole pages!

Parish of Snaith, Village of Gowdale

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: peppertide on Tuesday 13 March 12 01:11 GMT (UK)

Thank you for the info... what a bummer....

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: PFG on Tuesday 13 March 12 21:32 GMT (UK)

It's Gowdall rather than Gowdale.  I think this is the Carlton of Carlton Towers, the Yorkshire residence of the Duke of Norfolk.

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: rapsy on Wednesday 14 March 12 17:06 GMT (UK)

Thankyou all.  After looking at modern and Victorian ordnance survey maps and taking into consideration all your views I think it's Carlton near Pontefract as the Pontefract part would run into the blind, deaf, dumb column so the enumerator has shortened it.
The baptism mentioned by Suz looks likely as the date fits and Edward, Benjamin and Elizabeth are recurring names in the family.
What was confusing though was a Carlton just north of Snaith which is only a couple of miles away from Gowdall.  Then Norton crops up in 1861, but the only Norton I could find was near Malton.  I did try to find a Norton near to Carlton near Pontefract and Carlton near Snaith but I couldn't; so that's still a puzzle.  So once again, thankyou.
   Rapsy.

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: Calverley Lad on Wednesday 14 March 12 17:39 GMT (UK)

There is a Norton near Campsall (off the A19 trunk road.)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Snaith/more.html
Carlton is 2miles north of Snaith.
 Brian

Title: Re: Where born?
Post by: rapsy on Friday 16 March 12 17:43 GMT (UK)

Thanks for that Brian and it's very near to Kirk Smeaton where Edward's son John says he was born, according to the 1851 census for Burn.  That Norton didn't show in my road atlas gazetteer.
Regards, Rapsy.