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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: hope1986 on Monday 12 March 12 00:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi guys looking for some more help with my family tree. I seem to have lost a John Scollan after 1891, one line im looking at is the possibility he was suffering from TB as his older brother and his possible twin both died as a result of TB. Was there a TB hospital in or around paisley in the years from 1891 onwards and if there was does anyone know if its possible to search the records
thanks
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Sorry I cant help with the Hospital part of your question but
Doing a general search on Scotlands People site
for a death for John Scollan after 1891 gives
the following results (dates searched) 1891-1990
closest ones are
one in 1932 one in 1933 and one in 1940,(all Lanarkshire)
there are only two in the Renfrewshire area
one 1969 and the other 1988
if you have any other info on John that may help,
please post it so that someone may be able to help
Elaine
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Hi elaine,
thanks for looking but none of those John's are the one im looking for unfortunatly have looked at them all
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There was an Infectious Diseases Hospital in Bridge Street Paisley around that time - I have a relation who died there in 1899. - unfortunately as far as I have found so far, the records no longer exist. That said if he did die there his death would have been reported to the authorities and would be on Scotlands People.
(The hospital was located as far as I can tell near the junction with Mill Street opposite the Watermill Hotel - Google maps shows it as a landscaped area just down from the Council offices)
PS - he may have been moved from the area, sea air was considered a panacea for many ailments
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Millport on the Isle of Cumbrae, Ayrshire - I read somewhere that they had dorms used for convalescing. Patients slept outside as the fresh air was supposed to help. I'll try find the book or the ref to this information, and the year.
regards, Karen
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hi there, the TB hospital at that time was Bridge of Weir hospital in Kilmacolm but it is now gone and I have tried to find the records for the hospital. They don't seem to have survived.
In my research I did find that there was a TB register. I can't remember where I found this but will try to dig it up in my notes. I think it's connected to the archives at the Royal Alexandra hospital in Paisley and I think it just covered that immediate area.
Also it is really worth contacting these people http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/gghb/aboutus.html with the details of your relative as they hold some records from the hospitals in the area.
You should consider whether or not they may have been admitted to any other hospital first for diagnosis. I had a search of the records done for myself recently.
I was admitted to Stobhill hospital in Glasgow in the 60's because they thought I had TB Stobhill at that time was a fairly specialist diagnostic hospital. That's why I think I was sent there rather than a local hospital. As it turned out I didn't have TB but had lesions on my chest caused by another illness and I then was sent to Bridge of Weir hospital for recuperation for some months. Sadly no-one seems to have kept the records.
But what I was able to get from the NHS archives was simply a date of entry to Stobhill. They have nothing for Bridge of Weir. But I guess if someone had TB they may have died before they even got to one of those sanitoriums. They were able to give me a bit more information on a stay I had in a hospital in Greenock. They have different information relating to different hospitals. You could be lucky enough to strike a period where they had ward returns.
I hope you find this of help.
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When was your John born? Don't think you mention his age on your post.
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Just looking at the dates and it didn't open til 1894 but I guess it could still have been where he ended up couldn't it? Depends on your last sighting of him in the records. http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/sc-13232-bridge-of-weir-hospital-main-block-includ
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I think Mearnskirk TB hospital was much later but a google may bring up related records etc?
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If your John died in Scotland, his death would have to have been registered and would therefore be found on ScotlandsPeople. The fact that he does not come up in a search, could mean that he has been recorded/indexed under a variant (or simply wrong) spelling. A search on SP for deaths of a John Scollan (with soundex on the surname) brings up three pages of possible entries, but reducing it to exact spelling 1891 to 1960 brings up four (with only two of these having John as a first name - the ages are out and one of them also has a middle name, which your John didn't - at least didn't at birth - he could have adopted one in later life).
(I just did a more refined search and found a John -Scallon- who died in the Registration District of Hamilton in 1902 aged 29, which would fit ... Have you looked at that? Or the John Scullion, 67, in Shettleston in 1939 - less promising but not impossible)
He could have emigrated (though a search of passenger lists on FindMyPast 1891 to 1960 doesn't show any with the right age. He could have gone south, but a search for him in the English census returns (1901 and 1911) doesn't show him there. He could, of course, also have joined up and been serving abroad.
I presume we are talking here about John Scollan, twin brother of Daniel, b. 2 Sep 1873 in Paisley to Thomas Scollan and Susan Duffy, who had married 3 Feb 1863 in Paisley? (And had issue - all born Paisley): Sarah b. 18 July 1863, James b. 25 March 1865, Thomas b. 27 June 1867, Peter b. 6 Aug 1869 and Susan b. 13 July 1871.
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That John Scallon appears in Hamilton on the 1901 census aged 27. There is only 1 John Scallon at the right age in the whole of the Scotland 1901 census. Looks like the right one doesn't it. I think you've found the right death there eilthireach.
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If your John died in Scotland, his death would have to have been registered and would therefore be found on ScotlandsPeople. The fact that he does not come up in a search, could mean that he has been recorded/indexed under a variant (or simply wrong) spelling. A search on SP for deaths of a John Scollan (with soundex on the surname) brings up three pages of possible entries, but reducing it to exact spelling 1891 to 1960 brings up four (with only two of these having John as a first name - the ages are out and one of them also has a middle name, which your John didn't - at least didn't at birth - he could have adopted one in later life).
(I just did a more refined search and found a John -Scallon- who died in the Registration District of Hamilton in 1902 aged 29, which would fit ... Have you looked at that? Or the John Scullion, 67, in Shettleston in 1939 - less promising but not impossible)
He could have emigrated (though a search of passenger lists on FindMyPast 1891 to 1960 doesn't show any with the right age. He could have gone south, but a search for him in the English census returns (1901 and 1911) doesn't show him there. He could, of course, also have joined up and been serving abroad.
I presume we are talking here about John Scollan, twin brother of Daniel, b. 2 Sep 1873 in Paisley to Thomas Scollan and Susan Duffy, who had married 3 Feb 1863 in Paisley? (And had issue - all born Paisley): Sarah b. 18 July 1863, James b. 25 March 1865, Thomas b. 27 June 1867, Peter b. 6 Aug 1869 and Susan b. 13 July 1871.
Hi thanks for all your research forgot i had posted his thread :o, yep that sounds like it could be him alright, ill have a look at that death in 1902 when i get some more credits
thanks once again
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There was a TB sanatorium in Millport. I visited a school friend once a week in the early 1950s. As mentioned, sea air was thought beneficial and the wards were open to the elements. Three sides and a roof with waterproof covers on the beds in case of rain. Highly likely given the local climate. There were drop down screens for really severe weather but I never saw them used on my visits even in the depths of winter.
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There was a TB sanatorium in Millport. I visited a school friend once a week in the early 1950s. As mentioned, sea air was thought beneficial and the wards were open to the elements. Three sides and a roof with waterproof covers on the beds in case of rain. Highly likely given the local climate. There were drop down screens for really severe weather but I never saw them used on my visits even in the depths of winter.
Just to back up what Robert is saying, my great-uncle died there in 1956. As is said above, the fresh air was thought to be beneficial.
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just thought id up date you all unfortunately neither of the john;s that eilth found are mine so back to searching i go.
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Hi I may have information that might help you. I am also working on my family tree. If its the same John Scollan you are talking about he had a twin named Daniel they were the sons of Thomas Scollan and Susan Scollan (Duffy) I hope this helps Rhonda
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Hi
I think the Scout Centre Lapwing Lodge at the Paisley Braes used to be a TB Hospital. Something in the back of my mind from visiting with the Guides years ago. I cant find anything online but if you contact them they should be able to confirm this.
Rainbow