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I have a family that includes James Reynolds Born 1833, Mary Ann Reynolds (1833), John (1859), Ann (1862), Francis (1864), James (1868) and Mary (1870). I am positive that in the past, I have located this family in the 1881 census living at 22 Wellclose Square, Whitechapel. I am sure that I have found this entry on both Ancestry and on the familysearch websites but now I am unable to locate them. Could this data have been removed or can someone else have more success?
Regards and thanks in anticipation,
Andy Wright
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I can't see them yet in 1881, but the family you describe are living at 22 Wellclose Square in 1871.
RG 10 / 526 / 13 / 21
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HI are you sure it was the 1881 & not the 1871
here they are in 1871
Name Age
James Reynolds 38 Occupation Warehouseman
Mary Reynolds 38
John Reynolds 12
Ann Reynolds 9
Francis Reynolds 7
James Reynolds 3
Mary Reynolds 1
Regards
Pughy
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I thought that I was absolutely positive, but then sometimes I think I am going mad! It might be the latter!
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Does anyone know how to look up a specific address in the 1881 census, it seems so long winded and hit and miss on ancestry.
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Have you tried it on Find My Past?
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The 1881 census is the only pre-1911 Ancestry census that is indexed by address as well as name - its becos they took it from the LDS transcription.
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How do you use the address index for 1881 census please.
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Hi Carol,
Yes I have been trying but only bits of Wellclose Square are coming up, not including No.22. I wonder if its in another district, not Whitechapel. I am still trying but without success
Andy
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How do you use the address index for 1881 census please.
type at least part of the address in the supplied box.
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I see what you mean Andy- in 1881 that road only seemes to have houses up to number 10 in it.Do you know what surname you're searching for?
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Do you know what surname you're searching for?
It's in the original post - Reynolds ;)
I've searched and searched - can't find a trace of them yet.
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Do you know what surname you're searching for?
It's in the original post - Reynolds ;)
I've searched and ssearched - can't find a trace of them yet.
Thanks Jen...do you know I don't remember reading that post ::)
Carol
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I have just trawled through notes I made some time ago and found the entry which I knew I had seen:-
1881-22 Wellclose Square, St Mary, Whitechapel- RG11/449 James REYNOLDS,head,widow,48,tobacco stripper,born London Anna,dau,20,domestic servant,born Surrey **Frank,son,18,tobacco,born London James,14,son,errand boy,born London .
That begs the question - why can't I find the entry now?
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Just found it on The Genealogist website.
Has it been removed from Ancestry and LDS websites, if so, why?
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The last house # in Ancestry is #12 Wellclose Sq on Page 11; the last page uploaded is page 12, which has a large annotation saying 'Pages 12 & 13 inc passed over in error'
So whats the full refn in the Genealogist site - RG11/449 Folio?? Page??
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Hi Tom
The reference on The Genealogist is RG11/0449/~F13 and by squinting at the top corner of the original it's page 21. :)
Heather
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Thanks HeatherL - I havent checked the original LDS version (I have the discs somewhere) - but that certainly looks like at least 9 pages missing in Ancestry .... but it begs the question if they actually used the LDS indexing - IYSWIM ?
Is there the same annotation on Page 12?
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The same is missing from FindMyPast.
I've always understood that Ancestry and FindMyPast use the exact indexing available on LDS - this is why the transcriptions are available free in on both sites. If a transcription error is found on LDS it is usually duplicated exactly on the other two.
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From the original image for the Reynolds family which is on page 21, I used the 'previous page' button to go backwards. I got as far as page 17 which is complete but then the page before that has had its left hand margin cut off so I can't see the page number but I can see it does relate to Wellclose Square although the dwelling number has been also cut off. The bottom left hand quarter of this page is missing - looks like it's been ripped off. This is the first page in the set, there is no 'previous page' button.
Heather
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Curiouser & curiouser !
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I'm sure I've heard before that the 1881 is the same transcription everywhere except The Genealogist, who have a different one. Looks as if that's correct, useful to know.
Anne
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From the Ancestry 1881 page
Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
1881 British Isles Census Index provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints © Copyright 1999 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. All use is subject to the limited use license and other terms and conditions applicable to this site. Appreciation is expressed to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for providing the 1881 England and Wales Census Index.[/b]
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The 1881 census is the only pre-1911 Ancestry census that is indexed by address as well as name - its becos they took it from the LDS transcription.
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Thanks to all you guys who have shown an interest in this post. It is strange because I am reasonably sure that the entry that I originally took notes from would have been either the LDS or Ancestry sites. It is most unlikely that I would have got it from any other site. If that is the case then it implies that data has been removed either deliberately or in error. this the reply I received back from Ancestry when I first noticed it.
"We regret any inconvenience this may have caused you. We do remove records from our site when it is due to privacy issues that we would remove them from our site or either the government of the country decided to change the records policy. It all depends on what the government would want and also with the privacy policy when there are changes to it.
If you are trying to find a particular record that we may not have then there is a website that you could probably find that record in. The web site is www.gro.gov.uk. This will be where you need to go to view most of the UK records.
If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know."
Over to you (at least I'm not going mad!)
Regards
Andy
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I think its worth telling them that you have found the missing records and taht they are on thegenealogist website in case they want to update their site for completeness - be interesting to see what their response to that is