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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: hollyhenry on Friday 09 March 12 23:49 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Does anyone have any information regarding BECK families in Dromore and or Dromara area? These are mine. This is all I know about them. Any help finding more information about them would be wonderful!
John Beck (1797) & Sarah Watson (1797)
Their children:
Mary Jane 1819 Jan 25 married (date ?) James Mussen, blacksmith
They had 3 sons all born in Dromara Presbyterian
Samuel John Mussen bapt: 1843 July 16 Crossgar, Dromara (married Mary Eliza McHenry 1864 Apr 23 Great Victoria Street Church of Ireland Belfast)
Joseph Campbell Mussen bapt: 1845 Oct 9 Crossgar, Dromara (married Jane Higgins 1868 Glasgow)
James Mussen bapt: 1848 June 27 Crossgar, Dromara (married Janet Watson, 1873 Oct 10, Wynd Church, Glasgow)
Hugh Beck bapt: 1821, married 1847 Isabella Mussen @ Dromore Cathedral Church, Banbridge
Elizabeth married John Thompson
John Beck bapt: 1832 June 20 married 1864 Dec 24
Mary Chambers @ 2nd Dromore Presbyterian ( known as Banbridge Road Presbyterian Church, Dromore since 1908)
Sarah Beck bapt: 1835 July 28 married 1858 Aug 28
Alexander Gibson @ 2nd Dromore Presbyterian
Sophia Beck married 1852 Oct 1
John Mitchell @ 2nd Dromore Presbyterian
Thomas Beck married Margaret Guirney.
Children: Sarah 12 May 1866, Sarah Ellen 2 Dec 1867, John 31 Dec 1869
Elizabeth Kelly 16 Nov 1872
Thank you!!
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Hi there,
I was pleased to see the name Beck in Dromore. I'm interested in Dorothea Beck who was in Dromore around early 1800s. Her husband was a soldier called John and there are different versions of his surname..Beresford or Beresfield, Barrasfield , Berrisfield etc. They stayed at one point in Ballysallagh in Dromore.
I've had no success in finding anything about her or husband,
They had sons William john thomas and James. I know that at least William & John came to Scotland around mid 1850s
does any of this sound familiar??
Their son John was married to Helen Jane Gamble in Cathedral Church of Christ the Redeemer in Dromore in 1850
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I think that we are related!!
Although I have not long started my family tree and you appear to have had more success.
I have traced my tree back to John Beresford and Dorothea Beck.
I am related through John and Helen Gemmell, his son Samuel, his son Hugh Gemmell to Margaret Beresford.
There are so many, my head is spinning !
I was looking for other possible children of John and Dorothea arriving in Scotland in the 1850's.
it would be great to compare notes
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Hi
theres a few Becks from Seapatrick/Banbridge area listed on Rosdavies site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/B/BeaBeg.htm
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IGI have a submitted marriage record for a John Bearsfield( born about 1795 Tullindony,Dromore, , Down, Ireland) to a Dorothy Beck( About 1800 Dromore, , Down, Ireland ), marriage was About 1822 Dromore, , Down, Ireland , 2 sons mentioned,Thomas Bearsfield,born 23 JAN 1824 Tullindony,Dromore, , Down, Ireland ,and James Bearsfield, born 10 MAY 1827 Tullindony,Dromore, , Down, Ireland .
jim
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thanks jimchelsea. those are the parents of my great great grandfather John Beresford. john had married Helen Jane Gamble (changed to Gemmell in scotland) around 1850. from what I can work out thosenamed by you are the sons who stayed on in Ireland. their other sons William and Samuel came to Scotland eventually settling in Glenmavis in Lanarkshire. Their surname seemed to change to Beresford. Samuel was my mum's grandfather. Funny thing is that the marriage cert for John and Helen Jane is under the name Beresfield
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Is there any way to find out more about John and Dorothea?
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I have connections to a Beck family in Dromore, Co Down
Robert Beck bc 1785 m'd Mary Hodgin 1811. Children -Jane 1812,Sarah 1814 (m'd Samuel Coulter - my line)Eleanor 1816,Mary 1818,Robert 1820.
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Hi Agnetta,
I'm trying to find my ancestor called Dorothea Beck married to John Beresfield/Barrasfield/Beresford ( spelt differently on different documents). They stayed in Dromore Co Down around 1820s- at least 1850s as far as I know. Her husband was a soldier. Some of their sons came to Scotland. The ones that I know about are William & John.
Does any of this sound familiar?
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I've done a bit more research and Becks have been in my family different generations, but both from Dromore area in Co Down. As you know, I'm looking for information re Dorothea Beck who was married to my 4x grandfather John Beresford who was a soldier. I can't find him either and the surname is recorded with different spellings in different documents. They were born around 1800. I have just discovered that a Robert Thomas Beresford who is definately in my family tree and born and living in New Monkland area of lanarkshire married Mary Beck in Dromore in 1898. I have a copy of the recorded marriage details , and his name is recorded as barrisfield over there. For me, I don't just think it's a co-incidence that he has married a Beck, and shows that they must have still kept in close contact with family in Ireland. Mary's parents were James Beck, married to Elizabeth Chambers. The address on the marriage cert is shown as Ballykeel/sp, although there is an entry for them on Ros Davies website as being in Annahilt/Hillsborough. James Beck is recorded as a farmer
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Hi,
My great grandfather John Jardine married Mary Beck in 1872.
This was either a second or third marriage for John, and Mary Beck was younger when she married than one of John's other daughters.
John Jardine was a merchant and he and Mary ran various businesses including a bar and tavern in Bridge St Dromore.
Mary went on running the business when John died.
Mary and John had 3 children.....my grandfather John, Alfred (who died age 29), and Marguerita
Mary Beck's father was Samuel (farmer)
Any more info. would be greatly appreciated.
p.s. my Mum was named after Mary!
regards,
Dougmc :)
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Hi there,
I'm sorry but I don't recognise any of the names you mention
I have a Dorothea Beck in Dromore but no idea of the names of her family
Elspeth
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Hi Elspeth,
Dorothea had two sisters .....Mary and Elizabeth, and a brother John
Mary was my ggrandmother.
I can send you more info. on this if you need it!
regards,
Dougmc
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Yes please Dougmc,
I can't find a single thing about Dorothea anywhere.
There are plenty Becks in Dromore, but no birth or even marriage dets or death.
She married John Beresford ( name registered under different versions such as Berrisfield, but changed to Beresford in Scotland, so I don't know what the real name is) He was a soldier, but I know nothing more than that.
If you have information, I'd be both grateful & delighted at the same time.
PS I can find nothing about him either !!
Elspeth
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Oh, BTW, I also have a Mary Beck 1868-1937 who came from Dromore. Her parents were James Beck & Elizabeth Chambers ( Mary was from Ballykeel )
Elspeth
PS my Dorothea was born around 1800,but I don't even know full dets for sure
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Hi Dougmc, sorry to bother you - you were going to send me some info. I found the link to Proni will search and I found Samuel Beck's will with Dorothy mentioned - it can't really be a co-incidence and I expect she is mine- at least I have found confirmation she exists. I tried to save the will pages from Proni but they turned out black background with white writing. If you have any info, I'd really love to see it - thanks in advance , Elspeth
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To Dougmc and Soapy1
I don't know if this line is still active, I've been researching the Becks of Ireland for a great many years, I was very interested in the Dorothea who married John Beresford, I have a Dorothy Beck of originally Quilley Dromore the sister of a John Beck of Quilley born 1756 and married his cousin Mary Beck, died in Ballysallagh in 1840. His son Samuel Beck of Ballysallagh was married 3 times - his third marriage was to a Dorothy Mills, they were the parents of Mary Beck who married John Jardine.
Mary Beck who married Robert Thomas Barrisfield ( grandson of John Beresford ) was the daughter of James Beck and Elizabeth Chambers of Ballykeel, they are connected to the Ballysallagh Becks, but several generations earlier.
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i wondered if you had seen
from http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/dromore-parish.php#.V0QjSlf0bHg
Beck, Jno. Townland: Ballynaris Year: 1834
Beck, Jno. Townland: Quilly Year: 1834
Beck, John Townland: Ballysallagh Year: 1834
Beck, John Townland: Ballysallagh Year: 1834
Notes: Spent Bog
Beck, Widow Townland: Quilly Year: 1834
seeing the enumerator original for one name has been changed, ie spelt Bog, I add in for ‘just in case’
Beggs, Saml. Townland: Quilly Year: 1834
Beggs, Widow Townland: Quilly Year: 1834
Begs, Joseph Townland: Tullindoney Year: 1834
original in proni Belfast, it describes the acreage and quality of the land and that’s it. access is yourself friend or paid searcher. ie they wont copy it. if the same entry for townland exists in Griffiths valuation you can look up a map supplied by them and see the homestead
i didnt look up Dromara
good luck onwards
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Beck
see
1660s Hearth Money Rolls
see http://www.billmacafee.com
download example
Database containing names and places from the Hearth Money Rolls [T307] for the counties of Antrim [1669], Londonderry [1663], Tyrone [1666] and Donegal [Baronies of Inishowen and Raphoe] 1665 - read more. [in Excel [North Ulster]or PDF [North Ulster
headings
Record No. No. in Barony List County Barony Parish Townland (Modern Spelling) Townland as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Forename as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Surname as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Surname [Standardised]
13650 41 Antrim Belfast Upper Shankill Town of Belfast Parish of Belfast
Thomas Becke Beck
14497 888 Antrim Belfast Upper Shankill Malone Lower Lower Libertyes of Malone John Beck Beck
14523 914 Antrim Belfast Upper Shankill Malone Lower Lower Libertyes of Malone Mr John Beck Beck
i suspect you need muster rolls hearth rolls for co down. i cant help you check bills website fully in case any clues
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Many thanks BALLYALTKILLIGANG - but I have all this info. I was simply wanting to contact Dougmc or Soapy1 to give them information on their families.
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David
I'm just so so pleased with your reply and the replies that have been generated. Dorothea was my 3rd Great Grandmother, both she and her husband John are on the death certificates of their children , and John is shown as a soldier - I was half contemplating that he was English but couldn't find any evidence of his existence other than on those certificates. I also have the details you mention about Robert Beresford marrying Mary Beck over in Dromore and thought that possibly the Beresfords kept a bit more in touch with the remaining family in Dromore and that Mary was in fact related. I would of course be interested in knowing more
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I believe Sarah Beck and Alexander Gibson are my great, great, great grandparents, moving to Scotland on the late 1860s with sons William b1859/60 and John b1861/62. William and John moved to Bolton in Lancashire when they were aged 21 and 19 years. Can anyone verify this?
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
I believe Sarah Beck and Alexander Gibson are my great, great, great grandparents........
Sarah Beck bapt: 1835 July 28 married 1858 Aug 28
Alexander Gibson @ 2nd Dromore Presbyterian
If they are, then this was their marriage (writing is very poor):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09544/5460027.pdf
Their fathers were John Gibson and John Beck, both weavers. Alexander was also a weaver and looks to be a minor (under 21). Both Alexander and Sarah were living in the townland of Ballyvicknacally (again writing very poor).
https://www.townlands.ie/down/dromore/ballyvicknacally/
KG
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Thank you KG, this is very helpful and gives me another area to research.
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I foud this very interesting would anyone know the parents of John Beck 1797 and Sarah Watson 1797
Kind regards
Bobby Beck
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My Great Granduncle Robert John Anderson from Aughnahoe, Derryaghy, Lisburn, married Louisa Beck from Dromore. Louisa was born around 1905 in Ballykeel, Dromore and died in 2002 and her parents were: Robert Beck Born around 1858 and died 1937 and Martha Graham 1871-1933 (I need to confirm these dates) but John and Martha were married 31 March 1891 in Ballynahinch and had 8 children (Birth year dates only for most as I have not yet confirmed more than that:
The above mentioned Louisa 1905-2002, Maud Born 1892, Edith Born 1894, Martha Born 1896, Jane 1898, Jessie Born 1898, Robert Born 1901, Florence 1905 and Nora Born 1909.
1911 Census record for them: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ballykeel/Ballykeel/249337/
Robert Anderson and Lousia had at least one child that I know about, my 1 cousin x2 removed William George Anderson, born around 1937 died on 20th May 2000 in Belfast.
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My Great Granduncle Robert John Anderson from Aughnahoe, Derryaghy, Lisburn, married Louisa Beck from Dromore. Louisa was born around 1905 in Ballykeel, Dromore........
Louisa born 18th May 1907.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01702/1675126.pdf
Robert Anderson married Louisa Beck on 21st August 1935 in Lisburn R.D.
Marriage record available from GRONI On-line https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
KG
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(Birth year dates only for most as I have not yet confirmed more than that:
The above mentioned Louisa 1905-2002, Maud Born 1892, Edith Born 1894, Martha Born 1896, Jane 1898, Jessie Born 1898, Robert Born 1901, Florence 1905 and Nora Born 1909.
Edith born 12th August 1893.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02297/1861756.pdf
Martha born 1st June 1895.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02209/1834283.pdf
Robert born 16th June 1900.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02000/1769276.pdf
In addition:
William born 22nd August 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01904/1739042.pdf
Died 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05589/4570526.pdf
Edward born 11th November 1911.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01513/1614649.pdf
KG
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(Birth year dates only for most as I have not yet confirmed more than that:
The above mentioned Louisa 1905-2002, Maud Born 1892, Edith Born 1894, Martha Born 1896, Jane 1898, Jessie Born 1898, Robert Born 1901, Florence 1905 and Nora Born 1909.
Edith born 12th August 1893.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02297/1861756.pdf
Martha born 1st June 1895.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02209/1834283.pdf
Robert born 16th June 1900.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02000/1769276.pdf
In addition:
William born 22nd August 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01904/1739042.pdf
Died 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05589/4570526.pdf
Edward born 11th November 1911.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01513/1614649.pdf
KG
Thnaks for the help.
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Dromore Co Down NI is a small market town it is also a civil/church parish so 'Dromore' Co Down covers a huge area and lots and lots of other small towns and villages...
So just reading through the thread and seeing so many places....
Dromara that is 6-7 miles away from Dromore and the address is Dromara, Dromore.
Dromara covers villages like Waringsford/Kinallen ( so eg Waringsford, Dromara, Dromore)... Banbridge is the closest 'large' town to Dromore 11 miles away (in the church parish of Dromore) and Seapatrick was a village outside Banbridge, now part of Banbridge and there are lots of villages inbetween.
Crossgar is 16-17 miles away from Dromore......and going the other way from Dromore Hillsborough is Hillsborough, Dromore, same with Annahilt
So you are searching a huge area for a surname so it is likely you will find several separate families using the same surname. although of course people moved, for marriage/work like any where else however even more so than many other places you need to follow the records to ensure you follow the right people you want, not just look for a name that fits as they were not so creative back then with names and if you look you will find possibly 10 people born around the same time/same place with the same name and not all related to each other
The only Beck I know and the name spiked my interest which is burned in my brain and will be for ever as it was an horrendous illegal puppy farm in Katesbridge which is Dromara, Dromore https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/dog-horror-man-faces-being-caged-28401816.html
What might help if you don't know the area is these
https://www.downanddromore.org/find-a-church/list ( the diocese of Down & Dromore is divided up into 79 parishes, with a total of 115 churches.)
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.4141409,-6.2365382,10z
http://lisburn.com/books/dromore-historical/Journal-2/journal-2-3.html
http://countydown.x10.mx/html/dromore.htm ( think you have already got this)
https://www.dromorediocese.org/history/
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Dromore Co Down NI is a small market town it is also a civil/church parish so 'Dromore' Co Down covers a huge area and lots and lots of other small towns and villages...
This is what Dromore Civil Parish covers.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/dromore/
It does not cover Dromara or Katesbridge (nor Donacloney, Annahilt or Hillsborough) which are in different Civil Parishes.
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I am also researching the family of Robert Beck (1858-1937) of Ballykeel. I know from the court case of 1891 that he grew up in Ballykeel and was living with his uncle in Ballykeel at the time of his wedding. So I am pretty confident that James Beck (d1918) and William Beck (d1897) both of Ballykeel are his uncles.
Looking at Grifffith Valuation for Ballykeel, there is a John Beck, who I presume is the father of Robert and a Robin Beck. I suspect that Robin is actually Robert and that he would be the father of John, James and William.
If anyone has more information, especially the 1851 census for the Becks of Dromore, I would be really grateful
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
If anyone has more information, especially the 1851 census for the Becks of Dromore, I would be really grateful
The 1851 census on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ only has six individuals for the whole of Co Down, none of them Beck.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01quy/
This presumably is your Beck family in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 79 in Ballykeel (Ballykeel, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ballykeel/Ballykeel/1240204/
KG
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Thank you so much for the welcome and for getting back to me so quickly. I understand the limitations of the fragments that remain in the national archives, but I came upon an interesting article in North Irish Roots Vol. 24, No. 1 (2013), pp. 35-37 where the author had accessed the collection of John Wilson Beck an early 20th century historian. John had access to records before the 1922 fire destroyed them and his hand written notes include early census records not available anywhere else. I am quite a long way from the national archive in Dublin, but had hoped that someone on this board might have been there before me.
If its of interest to anyone, the atricle included the following extract from the 1821 census
Ballysallagh, County Down
John Beck 58 Farmer
Mary Beck 50 Wife
Samuel Beck 17 Son
John Beck 13 Son
Dorothy Beck 50 Sister
William Partridge 23 Dealer
James Taylor 20 Servant
Margaret Morre 17 Servant
I believe that there are other names in the notes
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Hi,
Does anyone have any information regarding BECK families in Dromore and or Dromara area? These are mine. This is all I know about them. Any help finding more information about them would be wonderful!
John Beck (1797) & Sarah Watson (1797)
Their children:
Mary Jane 1819 Jan 25 married (date ?) James Mussen, blacksmith
They had 3 sons all born in Dromara Presbyterian
Samuel John Mussen bapt: 1843 July 16 Crossgar, Dromara (married Mary Eliza McHenry 1864 Apr 23 Great Victoria Street Church of Ireland Belfast)
Joseph Campbell Mussen bapt: 1845 Oct 9 Crossgar, Dromara (married Jane Higgins 1868 Glasgow)
James Mussen bapt: 1848 June 27 Crossgar, Dromara (married Janet Watson, 1873 Oct 10, Wynd Church, Glasgow)
Hugh Beck bapt: 1821, married 1847 Isabella Mussen @ Dromore Cathedral Church, Banbridge
Elizabeth married John Thompson
John Beck bapt: 1832 June 20 married 1864 Dec 24
Mary Chambers @ 2nd Dromore Presbyterian ( known as Banbridge Road Presbyterian Church, Dromore since 1908)
Sarah Beck bapt: 1835 July 28 married 1858 Aug 28
Alexander Gibson @ 2nd Dromore Presbyterian
Sophia Beck married 1852 Oct 1
John Mitchell @ 2nd Dromore Presbyterian
Thomas Beck married Margaret Guirney.
Children: Sarah 12 May 1866, Sarah Ellen 2 Dec 1867, John 31 Dec 1869
Elizabeth Kelly 16 Nov 1872
Thank you!!
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Is it possible to get in contact with Holyhenry and Kiltaglassen about the family of John \Beck-Sarah Watson.
Kind regards
Bobby Beck
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Is it possible to get in contact with Holyhenry and Kiltaglassen about the family of John \Beck-Sarah Watson.
Holyhenry no as shows as guest on the initial post made in 2012 so they will not get a notification (and may have since joined the departed).
Kiltaglassen will no doubt be along shortly but was likely assisting in the hunt for records rather than being related to the Becks. So just type and she will see.
« Reply #24 on: Friday 16 April 21 12:40 BST (UK) »
I foud this very interesting would anyone know the parents of John Beck 1797 and Sarah Watson 1797?
Records before 1800 tend not to be transcribed online if they survive, so when you get that far back have to consider what exists offline in PRONI or the church and perhaps combine with a trip.
In the early post you re-quoted it suggests the family attended Dromara Presbyterian.
RootsIreland transcripts commence 1816 but if consult https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/guide-church-records you are fortunate that the Presbyterian baptism registers exist further back on microfilm there.
Baptisms, 1762-1959; marriages, 1799-1802, 1810-13 and 1817-1922.
Dromara Church of Ireland registers were however lost, destroyed 1922, PRO Dublin.
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Thank you Jon_ni for the information.
Kind regards
Bobby Beck
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In case of interest a Samuel James Mussen Beck aged 73 died 26 April 1958, father-in-law of Robert Orr Douglas who married Mary (Minnie) Beck 1916–1996. I don't have further details, the Douglas's are a distant connection, but there is a public tree.
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8623.2543
https://discovereverafter.com/profile/27970875
https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1916/01338/1552457.pdf
https://ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/10936365/person/24076422957
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Thank you Jon_ni
I had this link https://gw.geneanet.org/dawnpowell?lang=nl&pz=dawn+yvonne&nz=powell&m=D&p=john&n=beck&oc=1&siblings=on¬es=on&t=T&v=6&image=on&marriage=on&full=on
I will look at your other links.
Kind regards
Bobby