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Title: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: Kucinta on Friday 09 March 12 12:17 GMT (UK)
I'm new to the boards, so please be gentle if I inadvertently mess up.

If anyone is able to help, could I have a look up for Charing, for the baptism of a John Walker, or John Taylor Walker in the period 1804-1806.

I really want to know who his parents were.

Thanks
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker
Post by: patrish on Friday 09 March 12 15:13 GMT (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat.

There is a John Taylor Walker on the IGI index's which states he was born about 1805 and died in Milton, Kent July 1881.
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker
Post by: Kucinta on Friday 09 March 12 15:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Patrish,

That sounds like the John Taylor Walker I'm after.

Census material consistently says he was born in Charing, Kent c1805.

There is a baptism for a John Taylor Walker in Picadilly/Westminster Dec 1805. parents Richard Walker and Mary.

HOWEVER,  'my' John Taylor Walker married in Borden Kent, in 1832, to Mary Ann Sharpe and brought his children and a grandchild up in Borden.

There is a record of a Jane Taylor Walker baptised 31 Jan 1807 Borden Kent, parents simply given as Walker; and Frances Taylor Walker baptised 31st Aug 1806 at Borden, mother Mary Walker. I had thought these two girls might be siblings of John.

Mary Walker has 5 more children in Borden between about 1809-1818. No reference to a father.

In 1822 John Taylor, bach aged 60, and Mary Walker spinster aged 40 are married by licence at Borden.

My gut feeling is that Mary Walker is the mother of 'my' John Taylor Walker, and that she had a long term relationship with a man surnamed Taylor, probably the John Taylor who married a Mary Walker at Borden in 1822.

But I could be wrong and the parents could be Richard and Mary Walker of the London baptism.

So I guess I was hoping that there would be a baptism recorded for John Taylor Walker in Charing, which might resolve the issue of his parentage. I don't need any other information about him, as I have that already.
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker
Post by: panda40 on Friday 09 March 12 15:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Kucinta
I have Charing parish records on Cd information given as follows 4028 1804 18 Nov John Taylor s/o Mary WALKER Bornn 3 Nov - Base born.
Hope this helps
panda
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker
Post by: patrish on Friday 09 March 12 15:49 GMT (UK)
In case you dont know Kucinto base born means illegitimate
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker
Post by: Kucinta on Friday 09 March 12 15:56 GMT (UK)
Panda, That is absolutely wonderful, it's just what I wanted to hear!

Even better that he was base born son of Mary Walker, as that fits in with my theory that Mary was a single mum and only belately married her man in 1822.

Thanks to both Panda & Patrish for your help - I shall certainly know where to come for help in the future!

Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker
Post by: Kucinta on Friday 09 March 12 15:59 GMT (UK)
Panda,

Can I just clarify, is that ,John Taylorbase born  son of mary Walker, or John Taylor Walker, base born son of Mary walker?

Either way, that's my man! :)
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker
Post by: panda40 on Friday 09 March 12 16:05 GMT (UK)
No Problem I copied the information from the cd it is John Taylor with the surname Walker. It is indexed by surname.
Regards panda
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: Kucinta on Friday 09 March 12 16:06 GMT (UK)
Thank you SO much!

K
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: patrish on Friday 09 March 12 16:20 GMT (UK)
As he is John Taylor Walker, its most likely that Taylor was in fact his fathers surname as you often find this on illegitimate births. 
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: Kucinta on Friday 09 March 12 16:28 GMT (UK)
Hi patrish,

That would fit in with my theory that these are John's parents:

John Taylor of Borden bach (60) & Mary Walker of the s sp. (40). 01 Jan 1822.
Book: Volume 35 Collection: Kent, Surrey, London: - Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837 184.

Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: bearkat on Friday 09 March 12 19:26 GMT (UK)
Have you seen the tithe apportionments for Borden?

http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Maps/BOR/02.htm

Both John TAYLOR & John Taylor WALKER are mentioned.
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: Kucinta on Saturday 10 March 12 16:36 GMT (UK)
No, I hadn't seen them Bearkat, thanks very much for the link.
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: mbrightside0773 on Thursday 30 August 12 10:17 BST (UK)
Hi people..

John Taylor Walker born in Bordern Ken in about 1805 is my great great great grandfather I believe! I have a lot of census records if you want them....

Are any of you related to him??

Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: Kucinta on Friday 31 August 12 12:01 BST (UK)
Are you aware that your ancestor  Richard Merchant Walker is the son of Caroline [Taylor] Walker, and not her brother Reuben, as you have postulated elsewhere?

Caroline never married. Reuben married Elizabeth Cooper 20/05/1877  Clapham Park St James, as a bachelor and they had at least two children, William born 1879 in Bobbing, Kent and Jane in 1881 in Borden, before Reuben's death in 1886.

Also, 'James' Walker 1833 on your tree is actually Jane Taylor Walker. In 1851 Jane Taylor Walker, unmarried Grandaughter,  house servant,is living in the household of Richard Sharp, thatcher, born c1779 Borden kent, and Fanny, schoolmistress, born c1783 Stockbury kent, the parents of Jane's mother, Mary Ann Sharp, wife of John Taylor Walker.

(Richard Sharp/Sharpe and Fanny Greensted were married 8th Dec 1806 at Borden, They had several children, including Mary Ann, baptised 18th Dec 1808 at Borden)

John Taylor Walker and Mary Ann Sharpe were married 2nd Jun 1832 at  Borden .

Jane Taylor Walker later returned to live in Chesnut St  Borden in various censuses as 'widowed' Jane Bassett, often living with sisters Mary Ann or Emily, and in 1881 with her  married brother Reuben but I cannot find a record of her marriage.

Jane's daughter, also known as Jane Bassett, is living with her grandparents John Taylor Walker and Mary Ann nee Sharpe in  census 1871, along with her cousin [Richard] Merchant Walker.

Are you also aware that Richard Merchant Walker's two wives were sisters, both being daughters of Robert Gray/Grey and his wife Ann Osborne.? Eveline Maud Daisy Grey/Gray  is recorded as 'Daisy' in census material with her parents in 1881/91which made her hard to find at first, but the dates fit and she has siblings in common with Alice Grey/Gray who appears in census 1861/71 also with the same parents Robert and Ann. Eveline's birth cert also confirms her parents were Robert and Ann.

Richard Merchant Walker and Alice Grey's daughter Alice Caroline Walker c1882-12/03/1932 married Richard Henry/Harry Cain  2 May 1905 Fulham All Saints and had several children.

You know of Richard and Eveline's descendants already I believe.
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: mbrightside0773 on Friday 31 August 12 22:49 BST (UK)
Hi Kucinta,

Yep, I ordered Richard's birth certificate a while ago and found out that info about Caroline.

I think originally I did believe Reuben may have been Richard's father - and now I just logged back into the ancestry website and see that info is still on there so that is probably where you found this out?!

I was wondering how you got that info or if you had me confused with someone else but you were right on the money! I'll correct that tree on ancestry over the weekend if I get time... I should have a fair few updates to that.

I did guess that the two Gray's were sisters... I'll try and get some time together to gather the info.

Funny how things work out - I grew up in Gravesend, not far from where my great-grandmother would have grown up!

Anyway.... will update the tree shortly and let you know!

Thanks for the reply



Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: mbrightside0773 on Sunday 02 September 12 00:38 BST (UK)
Hey Kucinta - thanks for the great information - got back a generation further thanks to that, plus filled in a few more holes.

I've uploaded the latest tree to ancestry.com so feel free to look and correct any errors! I have lots of other siblings there for the Gray sisters... I must have got some census records last year.

Anyway, will try and continue to fill in any holes!

So do you fit in down the Grey line somewhere?!
Title: Re: Charing baptism Look up Walker COMPLETED
Post by: Kucinta on Sunday 02 September 12 20:25 BST (UK)
No, a distant relative of mine via his paternal line is a grandson of Richard Merchant Walker by both his mothers, I helped him work on both lines.

Can't seem to access your tree on Ancestry to look at the updates.