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Title: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: kazfoster on Thursday 08 March 12 23:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Guys
Can someone help with Glasgow records please?

I have a James Miller (Cooper) born 1811 Ireland.  1851 finds him Married to Rosanna (English) with james 17, John 15, Agnes 12, Catherine 9, Isabella 7, Rosanna 5 (All born Ireland) then Patrick 3 born Glasgow.

They lived at Garngad Rd

In 1861 james is listed as a Widower in the City Poorhouse then he dies there in 1862.
I know what happens to James but have no idea about the other children.

I can find no death for Rosanna on Scotlands People 1851-1861


I wondered if someone could look up the poor relief records at the Mitchell Library??  I am stuck down here in the Midlands & I thought it might give me an idea of where the rest of the family went. 

Are there records of people moving back to Ireland readily available??

I am really not sure how to trace them any further - I would love to know more about the Irish connection, I hope someone can help.

Many thanks

Karen F
 :)
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Ogleway on Tuesday 13 March 12 08:27 GMT (UK)
I will have a look for you at some point when I make it into Glasgow.
Can you tell me --
James Miller (Cooper) is that his job title?
Rosanna (English) is that her maiden name or origin?

Ogleway
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Sharon01 on Tuesday 13 March 12 10:59 GMT (UK)
Hi,

This could be a possibility for daughter Rosanna.

There is a marriage on 23/12/1864 to a William Gotham, High Church Glasgow. I would check SP


This is them in 1871.

Address 41 Stanhope St, Barony Glasgow.
William Gotham 26 head born England potter
Rose Ann Gotham 25 wife born Ireland
Isabella Gotham 5 dau born Glasgow
Robert W Gotham 3 son born Glasgow
Elizabeth Gotham 1 dau born Glasgow
Catherine Henderson 4 neice born Glasgow

Sharon
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Sharon01 on Tuesday 13 March 12 11:15 GMT (UK)
Catherine Miller Henderson born 29/06/1866, Hutchesontown Galsgow.

Parents John Henderson & Catherine Miller.

Catherine Miller married John Henderson  16/06/1865, Tradeston, Glasgow.

Sharon

Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Ogleway on Tuesday 13 March 12 13:57 GMT (UK)
Karen,

Do you still need me to look at Poorhouse records? If so questions still apply!

O
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Sharon01 on Wednesday 14 March 12 08:15 GMT (UK)
Karen,

Cooper is James' occuptation & English is Rosanna's origin.

Sharon
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Ogleway on Wednesday 14 March 12 11:36 GMT (UK)
Karin,

As you have not responded to the replies to your post I guess you have not ben able to check your emails yet.

I am going to Mitch tomorrow so if you still want a look up you will have to let me know.

Ogleway
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: kazfoster on Wednesday 14 March 12 22:53 GMT (UK)
I will have a look for you at some point. Not sure when.

Can you tell me --
James Miller (Cooper) is that his job title?
Rosanna (English) is that her maiden name or origin?

Ogleway


Hi Ogleway- thanks for the offer - much appreciated - I hope you get this.  I have been working and studying so not able to look at your reply - sorry!!  if you can it would be great if you could look the family up.  It might be that the children were in the workhouse?
cooper is his job and English is her origin.  It must have been late when I typed that!!!

Many many thanks
Karen F

Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: kazfoster on Wednesday 14 March 12 23:09 GMT (UK)
Hi,

This could be a possibility for daughter Rosanna.

There is a marriage on 23/12/1864 to a William Gotham, High Church Glasgow. I would check SP


This is them in 1871.

Address 41 Stanhope St, Barony Glasgow.
William Gotham 26 head born England potter
Rose Ann Gotham 25 wife born Ireland
Isabella Gotham 5 dau born Glasgow
Robert W Gotham 3 son born Glasgow
Elizabeth Gotham 1 dau born Glasgow
Catherine Henderson 4 neice born Glasgow

Sharon


Thanks Sharon01 - it is her - fantastic - We have been searching for this family for years - and we are finally getting somewhere - all down to Roots chat

Going to find the other children now -

Watch this space!!
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Ogleway on Thursday 15 March 12 07:22 GMT (UK)
Karin,

Got your message this morning, thought you might have been busy.
I will check today for you so don`t worry!

O
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Ogleway on Thursday 15 March 12 15:23 GMT (UK)
Had a look at records and found nothing useful. Will PM for more info
Ogleway
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Ogleway on Friday 16 March 12 12:54 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Had a second go at looking at the 3 Poorhouse indexes (including Glasgow) and called up another 4 volumes of poss. links.
No James Miller/Millar born around 1811 Ireland or not on record at any of the Poorhouses. Nor could I find any of his family with names and around dates provided.

Whichever poorhouse he died in it is not on record at the Mitchell. Sorry.

Ogleway


Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: sancti on Friday 16 March 12 16:45 GMT (UK)
What info does his death certificate give?

Who was the informant?

The 1861 census transcription gives his birthplace as Glasgow
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: Ogleway on Saturday 17 March 12 17:12 GMT (UK)
You sent me PM for someone else by mistake.

Did you get my posting and PM re search of 8 volumes of Poorhouse records I made for you at Mitchell ?

Ogleway
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: kazfoster on Saturday 17 March 12 19:31 GMT (UK)
You sent me PM for someone else by mistake.

Did you get my posting and PM re search of 8 volumes of Poorhouse records I made for you at Mitchell ?

Ogleway

Yes thanks
Weird really as his death was reported by the clerk of Glasgow Poorhouse.
Oh well

thanks everso much for your time
Karen
Title: Re: Miller help please-Poorhouse?
Post by: kazfoster on Saturday 17 March 12 19:39 GMT (UK)
What info does his death certificate give?

Who was the informant?

The 1861 census transcription gives his birthplace as Glasgow

HMMMM

Bit of  mystery- if you look at the line above it lists Ireland - I think we had assumed that it was a mistake - he claims in 1851 to be Irish.
I will take a look at some of the childrens certificates for marriages etc to see if it reveals more.

I will check out Scotlands People too to see if he was really scottish - no reason to lie though???
Any ideas about how to clear this up?
Karen