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Hi,I am looking for christening of William HAUXWELL(Hawkswell etc) and Margaret CRAGGS, who married 22-11-1770 Spennithorne,Nt.Yorkshire. Any help would be appreciated...Rob
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IGI - William Hawkswell christened 13 April 1743 at Well, father is Christopher. Well to Spennithorne is approx 9 miles.
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Hi Tillypeg, thanks for the info....Rob
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This is a coincidence. I'm researching my 3xgreat grandmother, Margaret HAUXWELL, of Bellerby whose parents were Joseph HAUXWELL and Elizabeth BUSBY. I believe Joseph's parents were William HAUXWELL and Margaret CRAGGS. My Margaret's mother Elizabeth seems to have died in October 1823 and was buried at Spennithorne on 03.10.1823. I believe Margaret was born in around 1823 but can find no trace of her christening. I'm going to the Northallerton record office next week to search for more info but if you have anything I'd be very grateful. Louise
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Found these at the Record Office:
Well PR: baptism 13 April 1743 William, son of Christopher Hawxwel of Well, occupation: webster.
(There is also this: Bedale PR baptism 10 August 1743 William, son of William Hawkswell of Great Crakehall, occupation: brewer)
Spennithorne PR:
Marriage 22 Nov 1770
William Hawkswell of this Parish and Margaret Craggs of this Parish, by Banns. Ceremony performed by Edward Hodgson, Rector. Both made X. Witnesses: Abigail Williamson, signed. Henry Hammond, signed.
Burials at Spennithorne:
Elizabeth Hauxwell of Harmby 9 January 1813 age 77
Hannah Hauxwell of Harmby 19 June 1818 age 9
Jno? Hauxwell of Harmby 19 June 1818 age 1
Francis Hauxwell of Harmby 17 December 1818 age 37
William Hawkswell 2 February 1819 age 78
William Hauxwell of Harmby 9 May 1820 age 17
Elizabeth Hauxwell of Bellerby 3 October 1823 age 34
Margaret Hauxwell 17 November 1823 age 87
The Spennithorne baptisms transcription has a gap from 1680 to 1784 and the microfilmed register is very poor, difficult to read.
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Thanks Tillypeg. If I find out anymore about the Hauxwells would you like me to let you know? Louise
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No need, Louise, I was doing the look-up initially for Sunshine333 who started this thread. :) Between the two of you, you might be able to sort them all out!
Best wishes.
Tillypeg
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Hi Tillypeg, thanks for the help ....very interesting you found another chr.for William, I had followed thru,from the chr.13-4-1743, father, Christopher, but now with the other chr. 10-8-1743. father William Hawkswell, of Great Crakehall, brewer, I am not sure which way to go...On William Hawkswell marriage to Marg.Craggs, 1770, it is spelt Hawkswell, the same as chrs.10-8-1743...? where is Crakehall, I am in Aust. so have no idea....
LouiseB12, I think the burial 1823, age 34, is your ancestor...maybe Elz. died having your Margaret ?, often with the grief, they forget to chrs. the baby...Let me know if you find anything else, I appreciate your help....Rob
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Hi Rob,
I use this site to find out distances etc
http://maps.the-hug.net/
If you plot Bedale on there, Well is 8 miles south. Great Crakehall is just less than 2 miles north west of Bedale. Spennithorne is 9 miles west of Bedale.
So, the two possible baptisms for William - at Well and at Bedale (of Gt Crakehall) - both places are 9 or 7 miles away from the marriage place Spennithorne. (as the crow flies ;))
Guess you will have to plot out each line trying to match up any occupations etc. I wasn't sure what a webster did - it seems to mean either an operator of looms or a weaver, originally a female weaver.
I wouldn't worry about the spelling of Hawkswell/Hauxwell etc - I have a very similar situation over at Whitby, several variations but the same family.
Tilly
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Thanks Tilly, I love the map, new to me....I am not sure how to figure out whether Chris. or William is the father, genealogy is not easy, as we all know....Rob
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You could also use Genuki to work out the distances by clicking on the the 'Nearby Places' located at the top of this page. By altering the miles you can widen the radius to search for the smaller villages.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Spennithorne/index.html
Sometimes it pays to go with your instinct and something tells me because of the proximity, it was the Bedale baptism - with father William of Crakehall. I only wish I could help you prove it though. People seemed to follow a 'route' and in my personal experience this was the most common.
Pels.
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Hi Rob, I've found a baptism for a Margaret CRAGGS in familysearch.org. 05 May 1745 at Appleton-le-Street (which is near Malton in North Yorkshire and quite a long way from Spennithorne). The father was Richard Craggs. It's not out of the question that this is the right person. The family, or just she, could have moved to Spennithorne and at her marriage to William Hauxwell she was 'of this parish'. I'll see if I can find any connections and let you know. I went to Northallerton Records Office for the day a couple of weeks ago but most of the information I got was for the 1800s, partly because I'm working backwards but also some of the early records are very difficult to read (on microfilm) or illegible. As regards William Hauxwell's roots, Well or Bedale, I think it may be impossible to solve this. There are an awful lot of Hauxwells in the area and many of them are called Christopher or William. I plan to return to Northallerton before long and will let you know if I find anything then or in the meantime. By the way, as you are in Australia are you related to Margaret Hauxwell of Hartlepool? She emigrated to the Ballarat gold fields in the 1870s with her 2nd husband Robert Wright.
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Thanks for the help...William (1843) married Spennithorne, which I think takes in Harmby & Bellerby, what reg. district would Well and Crakehall be in 1740 up...There was a burial of William 3-9-1771 Bedale, no age, would anyone be able to tell the age of this William, I am thinking he might be lst child of William & Marg. as they usually name the lst child after the father's father
My John Hauxwell(1830 Bellerby ) migrated to WA, Aust. in 1875 and his wife Eliz. and 4 children drowned on their way to Sa. 1876
John joined his step-bro. Joseph (from Joseph 1783) in SA.The Joseph in SA would be Louisa's B12's ancestor...Margaret's brother I think.....Rob
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Hi, the registration districts are a bit tricky as they all changed in 1837 and I haven't been able to find what they comprised before that. Genuki gives a breakdown of parishes from 1837 www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/leyburn.html. However Crakehall would have been Spennithorne I think. Well could have been Bedale or Ripon. Well is covered by the Ripon Historical Society and Family History Group as well as by the Cleveland FHS. They may be able to tell you.
Sometimes, but not always, the parish registers give the age at burial. Re your John Hauxwell, was he Joseph's son with Phoebe Barker, his second wife?
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William (1843) married Spennithorne, which I think takes in Harmby & Bellerby, what reg. district would Well and Crakehall be in 1740 up...
Hi, the registration districts are a bit tricky as they all changed in 1837 and I haven't been able to find what they comprised before that. Genuki gives a breakdown of parishes from 1837 www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/leyburn.html. However Crakehall would have been Spennithorne I think. Well could have been Bedale or Ripon. Well is covered by the Ripon Historical Society and Family History Group as well as by the Cleveland FHS. They may be able to tell you.
Hello again,
Civil registration didn't begin until 1837. From that date Bedale came under the district of Northallerton, whereas Well was in the district of Ripon. The registration district of Bedale was created two years later in 1839 and included village's taken from the already existing district's of Northallerton and Ripon. Well was included in the 1839 changeover and moved from Ripon to the newly formed Bedale registration district.
During this timescale and before, Crakehall was in the parish of Bedale. Crakehall church wasn't built until 1839/1840, only serving as a chapelry, not becoming a parish in its own right until 1861. Before this date all parochial rights remained with the Rector of Bedale. My understanding is, Crakehall parish births, marriages and burials were recorded with Bedale until 1842.
Clear as mud, but hopefully should help explain it better. :)
Pels.
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Thanks Pels, that is helpful. You were much clearer in your explanation than me! I meant to say that prior to 1837 there were no registration districts as such, only parishes which centred around the local church and where, if you're lucky, you might find the records of bmbs in the parish records. So I guess that knowing when churches were built is quite helpful in working out where someone might have been baptised etc. I think I've got that right? Is there an easy way of finding out which parish a particular village belonged to prior to 1837?
Louise
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By scrolling to the bottom on the link below and using Bellerby as an example, the place name to the right is the actual parish. As we know in this case it's Spennithorne, but it also identifies which other surrounding village's the parish consists of :
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html
I'd be lost without it ! :) :)
Pels.
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Thank you very much. Extremely useful.
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Thanks for the info Pels, I appreciate your help....Louise, what do you have to prove your Marg.born 1823 belonged to Joe/Eliz.Bushy ? I have been on Family search, I am putting together all Hauxwell BDM that I can find....The earliest I can find are Richard, Rollunson & Marmaducs Hawkswell, having kids from 1704. I have followed my gut feeling, and feel our family is William Hawkswell, born 10-8-1743 Crakehall, whose father was William, the brewer, who married Ann Bland 18-12-1735 Bedale, kids are on family search org. also Ann Bland's parents, John & Ann,
Ann Bland was born 2-5-1716 Bedale... What do you think ? Rob
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Hi Rob, Margaret gave her father's name in her three marriage certificates and her mother's name in her third marriage certificate. The 1851 census shows her birthplace as 'Nitherdale' (Nidderdale - the right area). She left for Australia (Ballarat) in around 1857 but her birthplace 'Bellerby, Yorkshire' appears in a daughter's birth certificate. I've written a bio for her detailing where I found my sources, the Melbourne archives were very useful. If you'd like me to email you a copy pls send a personal message with your email address. I still haven't made my mind up about William Hauxwell's lineage. I too have been trying to sort out the various Hauxwell families and as it's easier to work backwards, I've been looking at the 1841 census for Harmby, Spennithorne and Bellerby. In Harmby there are three families of Christopher Hauxwells and a Joseph Hauxwell family but my Joseph is in the Bellerby census with 2nd wife Phoebe. He seems to be the only Hauxwell in the village at that time. I've been trying to work out who William's (Joseph's father) children were and where they went. He and Margaret Craggs had a son Christopher bap. 28 May 1777. This has proved tricky as there are two Christophers of a similar age who crop up in censuses etc. One married an Isabella Bulmer (19 Oct 1831) at Spennithorne and another married an Elizabeth Marsden (12 May 1834) in Leeds. Both were born in Harmby! I thought it might help to look at the names of their children to see if there are any clues but it doesn't. As this is all so detailed perhaps it might be easier to communicate direct? I'm determined to get to the truth of it all and it would be helpful to share the search. Louise
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Hi Louise, I can't work out how to send a personal message ? could you help...I would like your email address, as I have all Hauxwell from 1700 to 1837, from family search org. on a usb stick and want to send it to you.... I then put them into families, and I agree there is alot of records missing...so it makes it hard. maybe you could send me your email address..I am from Joe.Phoebe also, my guy is their son John born 1830 Bellerby. I am not on the internet, use a computer at the local library, that is why I am slow getting back to you...Rob
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Hi Rob, I've just sent you a pm. To do so you click on the icon to the left of your message just below your name. If you don't get my pm then let me know. Louise
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Actually it's the green scroll icon next to the face icon on the left hand side of the message box. Click on it and you can send a personal message.
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Hi I am new to Rootschat but found your thread on google so joined. I am also related to William and Margaret they are my 6x greatgrand parents and my surname is Hauxwell. Have done a lot of research on this branch although it has been some time since I have been on it (researching other lines at moment) but I do have my own transcriptions of the parish records for Well, Bedale and Spennithorne in which I have taken down every Hauxwell I have found, some of my records go back to 1600's. Although I won't promise they are complete I may have missed one or to, you never know and have transcribed them as faithfully as possible, I am willing to pass on any info I may have so if you give me a list of names etc you need looking at I will check my records to see if I have them.
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Hi there. William & Margaret are my 5th great grandparents through their son Joseph bap. 19 Oct 1783. You'll see from the previous chatter that there is some debate about who is the 'right' William. Was he William christened 13 Apr 1743 at Well, father Christopher? Or was he William christened 10 Aug 1743 at Bedale, father William of Great Crakehall? If you can throw any light on this it would be very helpful. By the way, did your transcriptions come directly from parish records or via family search? I only ask because if it's the latter then I'm trawling my way through these at the moment whereas I only have patchy transcripts from parish records I found at Northallerton RO. Another question - do you think Margaret Craggs was she who was born 5 May 1745 at Appleton-le-Street? This is some way from Spennithorne area where she married William but she is the only one I can seem to find of the right age. Louise
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Hi Louise my records come directly from the registers but this must be at least 10years ago its been a while since I did anything on the Hauxwells. I must admit that I cannot find in my records the William of Crakehall bapt at Bedale its possible that early on i my research I may have disregarded him but I can't remember. Anyhow I think that William is the one from Well it's a bit unscientific but his mother would have been Frances whom Christopher married 30 Apr 1729 and if you have the record William' s first child and daughter was named Frances his second Margaret both I think named after his mother then wife. His first son was Christopher named after his father. This is the only reason that I can think of right now as to why I went with him. This research was done when I was new to Family History so could be wrong but in my gut I don't think so unless you have other info which shoots this down. Unfortunately I never carried on the research on Margaret Craggs so cannot help there but when I eventually get back to it I will look into it. Hope this helps and hope you agree with my rather unscientific approach but they did tend to name the kids after their parents and themselves quite regularly. Melanie
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Hi Melanie, the only children I found in the Northallerton PRs born to a William Hauxwell & Margaret and christened at Spennithorne were
Christopher ch. 28 May 1777
Ann ch. 23 Feb 1780
Joseph ch. 19 Oct 1783
Fanny ch. 18 Nov 1787
I didn't go any further back because the records were so hard to read and I was short of time but if they married in 1770 it's likely that several other children were born before Christopher in 1777. The only Frances I've come across was on family search ch. 30 Aug 1772 Spennithorne, father Wm Hawkswell, mother Mary. Could you let me know the names and dates of the children you have born to them?
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Hi Louise
Family search is great but as you probably know it sometimes gets it wrong (at least I hope it's wrong and not me) but the record I have is that Frances who was baptised 30 Aug 1772 is in deed the daughter of William and Margaret (not Mary). They also had another daughter Margaret bapt 17 Jan 1774. Fances died in infancy and is buried 18 Jan 1773 in Spennithorne.
If you agree with my findings that William is the son of Christopher I do have his (Christophers) marriage to Frances Smith and baptisms of their other children, William's siblings if you want that info.
Oh and I descend from the eldest son Christopher.
Can you also tell me how you know that your ancestor is Margaret daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth Busby as I have also got no record of her the only record I have for a Margaret at that time is the Margaret bapt 31 Oct 1824 the daughter of Christopher and Elizabeth Marsden (Christopher being the eldest brother of Joseph and from my line). Thanks.
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Hi Melanie
Thanks for the info on Frances & Margaret. Do you also have a daughter Fanny born to William & Margaret baptised 1787? I think I might have got that from family search.
I'm inclined to agree that Christopher was William's father, mainly because of the name of William & Margaret's first son. Was there a protocol in the naming sequence for children? I'm surprised there wasn't a William. I'd be glad to have your info on Christopher and Frances Smith. There were a number of Christopher Hauxwells around, several of them from Harmby. I've been trying to untangle them to see if I can trace them back to William's line but without much success. Is it Christopher b. 1777 who you descend from?
As to Margaret Hauxwell, my 3rd great grandmother, a baptism record for her doesn't seem to exist but I have evidence from census, marriage certificates (3) and her childrens' birth registers from Australia as to her birth place and her father and mothers' name. My guess is that her mother, Elizabeth Bushby, died in childbirth or soon after and that no-one got round to baptising Margaret.
I have Joseph, son of William & Margaret, baptised 19 Oct 1783 (from family search) so I'm guessing he was born in that year although the 1841 and 1851 census indicate he was born in 1777 so perhaps I've got the wrong Joseph's baptism. He could have been baptised 6 years' after his birth I suppose but it's unlikely. What do you think?
If you have your records in a form that can be emailed it might be easier to send it directly to me. If this is ok with you please let me know and I'll send you a personal message with my email address. Regards Louise
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Hi Louise
Don't have the bapt for Fanny although the info is on familysearch but I do have a Fanny Hauxwell 1787 in a list from the end of the parish register she is mentioned along with two other children Ann 1798 and Stephen 1807 so I presume there would have been baptisms and were entered late in register and I have overlooked them.
They would quite regularly name children after the parents and grandparents I think it went first son daughter named after paternal grandparents then next after maternal grandparents then father and mother, but this was not always the case but it can be a good indication if you are on the right track if the names follow on.
I have Joseph son of William and Margaret bapt 19 Oct 1783 also I do think he is the same one from the census it sometimes happens for one reason or other that a child was baptised later or he could be lying about his age on the census that happens also.
Don't have to much info on Christopher Hauxwell but his surname is now spelt Hawxwell he and Frances Smith had 9 children that I have found she was born abt 1709 and died Sept 1761 in Well.
I think it would be easier to send info by email and would be happy for you to send message that way. I could then give you list of children ect. Melanie
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I found these messages as I am searching for the William Hauxwell born abt that time but who married Ann (maybe Young at Hudswell?) and had children including Ralph chr 1770 Middleham.
This couple haven't been mentioned but is he son of Christopher or William - they had son William so I am thinking this could be William's son, which may not tally with the previous messages.
This family stayed in the area - in Harmby House.