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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Crawford123 on Tuesday 06 March 12 19:42 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm hoping someone can help me find some information on one of my ancestors. His name was Moss Levin or Marcus Moses Levin.
He had 3 wives 1 - Dorothy Cubly, 10-9-1787 Holborn
2 - Mary Wilson, 1796 St Lukes, Chelsea
3 - Ann Larkin, 1821 Wandesworth
He also had many children. I can't find any information on him from before his first marriage.
Can anyone help?
xx
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat ;D
Nothing to add on his early life but an amendment to your info.
He married for the 2nd time at St Georges Hanover Sq, Mary was of St Lukes Parish at the time.
There are a couple of references to him and his family in trees online at Ancestry but no-one has turned up a birth or baptism yet.
Dawn
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Thanks for that, I rushed it a little. It's really difficult trying to find anything. Any help is very much appreciated.
:)
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Welcome :)
I'm no expert on Jewish records, but that is where I would be looking for the origins of a Moss Levin (notwithstanding his several Church of England marriages).
www.jewishgen.org may be of use. There are also a number of threads on Rootschat about finding synagogue records.
Moss' burial record of March 1842 gives an age of 74, suggesting a birthdate about 1768. The City of London synagogues may be a good starting point, if records survive.
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I checked out Jewish Gen earlier and a few things come up but the dates and names are way out but I think I'l try thr Cynagog's in London and see what I can get.
Thanks!
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Another one which may be worth a look: http://synagoguescribes.com/blog.
:)
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Hi Lenvin, you are looking for william nickolls butcher born baldon married a marry ann then polly elizebeth smith from iffley oxford . these are all my relations .rhoda nickolls was my great aunt polly and william were her parants i am a desendant from them . my name is norma nickolls
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Norma's post refers to this (unrelated) thread: www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,518760.10.html
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Good evening from a lovely Oxfordshire..Moss Levin 1768 to 1842 was my 2X great grandfather..His daughter Kate (Kitty) mrd my Great Grandfather William Montague Glenister who became chief constable of Hastings Sussex.. Moss Levin was a silversmith and had a shop in a road off The Strand in London.. My brother has been to see the shop and it's still a silversmith's..We have been trying for years to locate more details on him..Bruv has contacted Richmond Surrey Synagogue but their records don't go back that far as earlier records were lost in a fire..We are led to believe his family arrived in London docks about 1780/83 from Hamburg Germany..This is where a lot of Russian/Polish Jewish immigrants departed from to USA as well as UK...If only we could find the passenger arrivals for that period we may find where he was actually born....Keep looking..I'm 85 now so only 15 years before my 100 not out to find him in...Can I make it??? Regards...LES.
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Hi Les
Crawford who started this topic hasn't been online here for a few years now.
You could try sending a personal message as notifications won't be sent for this topic until Crawford comes back and reads the replies.
Dawn
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Hi Dawnsh...Thanks for info but can't contact as I have no other details on Crawford123....Regards...LES...
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Sorry, forgot to include link with instructions on how to use our personal message system
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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Hello again...This old chap Moss gives us a run around doesn't he??? Anyhow...From a trade directory comes this information.....Moss Levin,,Watchmaker/Silversmith,,7 Cooks Court,,Carey Street,, London WC2...The shop is still there and still a silversmith's...Regards....LES (Oxfordshire Cockney)...
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Hi Les,
Well we went up to Carey Street on Wednesday of this week and were told after much walking around that a small room at the end of a passageway (Court) which led through to No.7 Lincolns Inn, was the workshop many years before of a Watchmaker repairer. The room was initially one of a few off of the passage and led out to Carey Street and was next door to a pub called Seven Stars.
The proprietor bought the room several years ago and used it after a bit of refurbishing as a smallish dining room for the pub. She told us the story re the Watchmaker.
We also found a silversmiths in Carey Street who was most unhelpful and denied any knowledge of any other silversmith in the nearby locality. Then we walked further down Carey St to find that a considerable amount of the area around Serle St has been demolished for future building works. When we arrived home I wrote to Lincolns Inn to ask if they had anything on the History of the area and a very kind person replied with the info of where Cooks Court used to be, and can you believe it was right where they are doing the future building works. Unfortunately we were just 1 year too late to see the actually shop Moss worked from. Did your brother take any photos when he went to see the shop?
Arthur & Tessa
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Hello all,
Based here in Australia.
Looks like I am another descendant of Moss Levin. My maternal grandmother's (Edith Jenny Massey (nee Levin born 1913-2006) father was Francis Percival Levin (1874-1938) whose father was Alexandra Levin whose father was Moss Levin (therefore my great, great grandfather).
I don't have any light to shed on Moss Levin apart from putting my hand up as another descendant/relative of some folks here for Moss Levin.
For interest I am arranging for my mother to undertake a DNA test through Family Tree DNA to see what comes up and possibly identify other unknown relatives who have taken DNA tests.
Feel free to contact me if interested.
Cheers!
Rob.
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Hi all,
I have received a lovely reply from LES about our ancestor Moss Levin and the great difficulties it has been to establish his origins prior to coming to London in around 1780.
I would love to reply to LES personally but being a new member I have restrictions on replying to personal messages but I know LES will be reading this from this topic anyway.
I am quite surprised that Moss died around 1842 as an "inmate" in a pauper/workhouse even though having many children. From what I have also identified Moss's last wife Ann died as an "inmate" in a similar situation around 1865/8 (don't have my chart with me at the moment).
Maybe our ideals of looking after our elderly are different in this day and age but I am surprised that none of Moss's or Anne's children took on a caring role.
Can anyone shed light on this observation query.
As stated earlier I am getting my mother to do a dna test of which part of the test will also hopefully give some information on the possible geographic area the Levin's come from. Although the test only gives some general info in this regards it may prove useful. Still awaiting for the test to arrive and once Family Tree DNA receives the test if takes a good 6-8 weeks for processing. So, hopefully in less than 3 months I will have interesting info I am happy to share.
Cheers!
Rob.
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Hi Rob,
You are able to sent Les a PM now should you wish.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Many thanks Sarah.
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I know this is an old thread but maybe of interest to some people here, I added this fellow at the collaborative genealogical website Geni: https://www.geni.com/people/Marcus-Levin/6000000133478165826
I used the information from various secondary sources in the form of MyHeritage family tree but sadly no primary sources. Help is appreciated.
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For anyone still following the trail, a few small items:
1. There is a Nov 1805 London Gazette bankruptcy entry for a Moses Marcus Levin (names in that order), Leadenhall Street, London, merchant.
A follow up entry Jan 1806 describes him as 'merchant, dealer and chapman'
Then in Jul 1811: 'Moses Marcus Levin (committed by the name of Moses Levin) formerly of Leadenhall Street London and lately of Norfolk Street in the Strand, in the County of Middlesex, Merchant, a person against whom a commission of bankrupt has issued, and is still in force ...'
2. An 1809 list of voting members of the East India Company lists Mr Moss Levin, Paradise Row, Chelsea.