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Title: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: radrian8888 on Tuesday 06 March 12 13:02 GMT (UK)
Hi
I am trying to find some information regarding Thomas Hope and Janet Turnbull, they are my great great grandparents. They immigrated to Australia arriving in Adelaide South Australia (my hometown) on the ship the "Northern Light" in 1855. On the ship's passenger list Thomas is 26 yrs old and Janet is 31 yrs old, they were travelling with a son John 3 yrs old, also it is recorded they were from Roxburgh. I do know that Thomas and Janet both died in South Australia.  I do not have any information on Thomas' parents, they could be William Hope and Agnes Borthwick and can find no further information on them either.  Janet's parents could be John Turnbull and Margaret Cummings. If anyone could help me it would be much appreciated.
Thanking you
Regards
radrian8888
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: ev on Tuesday 06 March 12 14:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Radrian  :)

Possible marriage for Thomas and Janet 1850 on the IGI

Also this census entry which could be them -

http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=79205024

ev
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: GrahamSimons on Tuesday 06 March 12 16:58 GMT (UK)
I have a bit of Turnbull hidden away in a small corner of my family tree. I found this book http://www.turnbullclan.com/publications/rulewater_and_its_people_index.htm which has a bit about the Turnbulls - may not mention your specific people but will provide some background. Great to read some Edwardian family history/local history anyway!
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: radrian8888 on Tuesday 06 March 12 22:39 GMT (UK)
Thank you ev and GrahamSimons for the information.
Regards Ros
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: alan14578 on Thursday 08 March 12 22:21 GMT (UK)
radrian Margaret Cumming is buried in Ancrum cemetery .The entry in the Ancrum MIs  refers to Thomas TURNBULL  proprieter in Lanton and mentions young children who died early  and then mentions HELEN HALL wife of JOHN TURNBULL HIS SON WHO DIED 16-1-1821 AGED 25  then mentions MARGARET CUMMING  wife of the late JOHN TURNBULL  WHO DIED IN EDINBURGH 24-1-1880? AGED 49YRS also a WILLIAM  3rd son of JOHN TURNBULL died xxx aged 30.

 It would appear that John Turnbull died before Margaret Cumming.
The Ancrum book of MIs is available from BFHS.
My record show they married at Jedburgh 4th December 1822 .
Thomas and Janet had a son John you mentioned ,which with the scottish namng pattern (first male child getting the grandfather name) would suggest this is the right family.If so you have a further link back to Thomas Turnbull in Lanton. Hope this helps.
alan
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: alan14578 on Thursday 08 March 12 22:24 GMT (UK)
Sorry it should read the birth (not marriage) AS 4TH dEC 1822.
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: radrian8888 on Thursday 08 March 12 23:22 GMT (UK)
Thanks Alan for all the information. I didn't know that the first male child was named after the grandfather. Also didn't know about Thomas Turnbull.
Regards
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: Geoff Roberts on Sunday 24 November 19 09:50 GMT (UK)
His Ros,

We seem to have relatives in common. 
"I am trying to find some information regarding Thomas Hope and Janet Turnbull, they are my great great grandparents. They immigrated to Australia arriving in Adelaide South Australia (my hometown) on the ship the "Northern Light" in 1855. On the ship's passenger list Thomas is 26 yrs old and Janet is 31 yrs old, they were travelling with a son John 3 yrs old, also it is recorded they were from Roxburgh. I do know that Thomas and Janet both died in South Australia."

What you may not know is that they had a child on the voyage, whom they appear to have named after the Captain of the 'Northern Light', Captain H. W. Plain, so there is a Henry William Plain Hope who is one of their children.   I'm just getting started on this, but I can tell you I am the grandson of Thomas Alfred Hope, who is one of their grandchildren.  He moved to Victoria, enlisted in the Army (his serial no was 207) at the beginning of WW1, was in the Gallipolli landing, survived, but was wounded after a few days and medevaced, ultimately going to England, then serving in France before returning to Australia.   He married a Gretta Maude Christopherson (the spelling varies, living members are known as Christopher - and mostly live in and around Melbourne)  She was the daughter of Gustav Kristofferson, of Oslo Norway, in Melbourne and had two children, Lorna and Betty (my mother).  Post WW2, they moved to Port Pirie, in South Australia following Lorna, who while serving as a WAAF, met her husband Doug Pettman when he was in the Air force and moved to Pirie where he was in a family business (Pettman's Menswear - now long gone)  She later moved with Doug to Saltwater River and both died there some years apart, they had no children.  Alf and Gretta remained in Port Pirie the rest of their lives, Alf died in 1968 and Gretta in about 1976.  They were cremated and are in the Centennial Park cemetery (Alf as a returned WW1 serviceman is in the military section).  I still live in Port Pirie.  I'd only just recently discovered the connection to Jedburgh via Thomas and Janet, as I'd been led to believe they came from England rather than the Scottish Borders, but like you found the reference to the 'Northern Light' through a relative, Margaret Christopher, who was once married to Gretta's brother.  It also appears likely Janet is related to the same Turnbulls as former PM Malcolm Turnbull as his ancestors seem to have come from a town only a few miles from Jedburgh.  Haven't tracked this down precisely but given the proximity it's unlikely to be a mere coincidence.  I hadn't known my Hope ancestors came into Australia via Adelaide, I'd assumed they'd gone to Melbourne like the Kristoffersons and Thorssons and Roberts families, so since discovering this I'd wondered if I had relatives in S.A. as all the ones I know of are in Victoria.   Would love to hear from you so we can compare notes. 

Regards
Geoff Roberts
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: alan14578 on Sunday 24 November 19 12:20 GMT (UK)
Found this in Jeburgh Abbey cemetery
232 William Hope of Hopehouse d 27.1.1847  77 w Agnes Borthwick d 5.1.1834  48 da Alison d 15.1.1832  23, Robert, Thomas and Christian died young s Adam d 25.11.1871  60 da Isabella d 21.4.1877  65 s James d Jedburgh 5.6.1900  72 (N.B. 3 Hope stones adjoin)


I will see if I find anything else.
Don't think you are related to your Malcolm Turnbull. he came from ANNAN Dumfriesshire a good 50 miles away.
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: alan14578 on Sunday 24 November 19 13:19 GMT (UK)
JANET turnbull born 11-12-1822 married 25 oct 1850 Jedburgh parents John Turnbull and Margaret Cumming.
in 1851 census Thomas Janet and son John were living in Jedburgh with John Turnbull Margaret Cumming and Isabella daughter (prior to emigrating).
John turnbull and Margaret were married Eccles Roxburgh 8-4-1859 parents shown as Thomas Turnbull, farmer and Janet Bell Margarets parents shown as Andrew Cumming and Elizabeth Brown 
On Family search website I found
Thomas Turnbull
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
...

Name:   
Thomas Turnbull
Spouse's Name:   
Janet Bell
Event Date:   
16 Oct 1808
Event Place:   
Ancrum,Roxburgh,Scotland

in
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: alan14578 on Sunday 24 November 19 13:29 GMT (UK)
IN ANCRUM CEMETERY THE FOLLOWING ENTRY
ERECTED by Thomas Turnbull proprietor in LANTON to the memory of his children viz,
ANN who died 24-7-1821 aged (8)?yrs, BELL died  22-8-1821 AGED 15 months ANN died JUNE 1825 AGED 3 YRS 4 MONTHS HELEN HALL WIFE OF JOHN TURNBULL HIS SON who died at Grizelrig 16-1-1821(?) AGED 25YRS  MARGARET CUMMING wife if the late John Turnbull who died in Edinburgh 24-1-1880(?) aged 49yrsWILLIAM third son of John Turnbull  died ---------- aged 30yrs.

(seems John had a first wife before Margaret Cumming)
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: alan14578 on Sunday 24 November 19 13:39 GMT (UK)
Just found another at Ancrum
In memory of Thomas Turnbull late of Hownam who died 17-1-1784 aged 83yrs also his spouse JANET BELL who died 30-5-1863 aged 76yrs and three of their children who died young also MAR ANN TURNBULL  their daughter born 12-11-1831 died 12-8-1886 ISABELLA TURNBULL their daughter  BORN 2-1-1824 died 3-10-1904

(this is the father of John Turnbull who married Margaret Cumming)
Hope this all helps the puzzle
Alan
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: alan14578 on Thursday 05 December 19 19:05 GMT (UK)
Radrian8888 Hope the above entries help your family search.
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: radrian8888 on Thursday 05 December 19 20:43 GMT (UK)
Thank you Alan, I will have a good look, at present have a sick husband and not much time for anything.
Regards Ros
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: alan14578 on Tuesday 17 December 19 21:55 GMT (UK)
Ros no hurry sorry about your husband.i have the same problem my wife now in a home !!! Try and have a good xmas
Alan
Title: Re: Hope/Turnbull Family Tree
Post by: radrian8888 on Wednesday 18 December 19 00:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Alan
Sorry about your wife also.
Have a good Xmas and a Happy New Year.
Will be in touch in 2020
Regards Ros xxxx