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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: gortonboy on Saturday 03 March 12 03:50 GMT (UK)
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Hi,All...I know these images are bad,,,but i have had to take photos of a photo on my phone ::)
I would like to know if this is amilitary uniform,,,and if so,,,can anyone tell me the regiment ,,,cheers GB ;)
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Heres the feet. ;)
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I have seen quite a few millitary photographs and will not state the obvious as to the nationality of the regiment but this is only phoograph I have seen of a soldier who is holding gloves?
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Please do state the obvious :D i thought it had an Irish look about it,,,but i suppose i am totally wrong and its some Scottish regiment ;D
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I am aware that the Irish wore Kilts in some of their regiments. The Canadian Scots' Regiments wore Kilts. The Tyneside Scottish Regiment did too. However this is probably a Soldier from a Scots' Regiment from Scotland.
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if anyone has a clue about a date,,,that would be great ;) I am still leaning towards an Irish regiment,,,call it a hunch ;D Hopefully one of the experts can have a look and shoot me down in flames ;) :D ;D
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My thoughts for what they are worth, the Irish as a Celtic race have peopled Scotland in ages past and the Scots from Ireland landed in Scotland at Dalriada present day Argyle, the flow of peoples back and forth to Ulster and Scotland throughout the centuries eventually formed Ulster Scots with clan associations and tartans to this day, however, to my knowledge I don't know of an Irish Regiment associated with the British Army that wear a kilt except the Irish Guards pipers, who wear a saffron kilt and Irish caubeen(hat).
During the Irish "troubles" wars of independance some Irish politicians wore kilts.
Getting back to the photo of this young man, it seems to be an assortment of puzzles, the glengarry is correct and the hackle in it, the spats and the hose have the dicing of the Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders, the doublet looks like a piper's though the sporran is not A&SH, The cantle badge is another puzzle and I cant find any thing like it on Scottish Regiments,
It has the Victorian crown above what appears to be a foot regiment badge - google any foot regiment from 24th foot 29 35 46 48 53 61 64 69 80 83 94 96 97 and 98th foot.
Other options I have looked at include Queen Victoria's School Dunblane and although there is some resemblance to their badge I don't think it is. Ampleforth College didn't match either.
Tyneside Scottish, London Scottish didn't match and Liverpool Scottish 8th Scottish Volunteer Battalion was an option but the cantle badge was different.
So your young man appears no nearer to identification. Reference the gloves, pipers will sometimes wear gloves with the tips removed to expose the first joint of the fingers when it is very cold, Brigade of Guards wear gloves on public duties in winter and line regiments wear gloves in parade dress, Ive even seen Gurkha regiments wear gloves on London Public duties.
Though I agree with Barryd that he is a soldier from a Scottish military organisation, Cadet, School or Territorial.?
Apologies for wittering on but your man is "getting to me" now and I will continue looking.
As you know there are people on here who can give you chapter and verse just on a name, does he have a name?
James
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Thanks for your observations,,,no name im afraid ;)
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Good morning,
You missed one from your list James, 1st foot, the royal scots. The cantle badge looks like royal cypher with crown over, this is one of the badges they use or have used.
John915
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Good morning John,
The Royal Scots cantle badge covers most of the cantle with a bower of thistle and leaves with St. Andrew in the middle standing with the saltire, I have managed to locate this which is quite interesting though won't solve the problem of the Scottish soldier.
www.militarybadgecollection.com/2010/12/04/scottish-sporran-sporran-badges.htm
It is rather frustrating.
however there is a photo on that site that shows Royal Scots pipers with the doublet and glengarry similar, dated 1910 they have the same collar badges as the cantle badge and the doublet in the by gortonboy doesn't have the same epaulettes as the Royal Scots pipers
James
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i may be able to get hold of the original...if i do,,i will rescan it ,,and hopefully post a better image. ;)
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I'd like to add some more confusion!I agree with James that he is unlikely to be a soldier.The uniform items are a complete mis match.Piper's type glengarry with cockfeather,drummers plaid,Lowland doublet, (Highland type don,t have 'tails'below the waistbelt in front),officer/WO1 epaulette with possible stars,no collar badges,walking out swagger stick,drummers/soldier type white belt,hosetops worn by amongst others Argylls(note double L)Gordons and Seaforths.My final point is his legdress.The left leg is dressed correctly.Nothing more needs to be said about the right leg.He was definitely not subject to an inspection before leaving barracks!
The badge on his sporran is similar to some militia/volunteer regiments in the 1800's.A clearer picture of his belt buckle would help a lot.
Not a lot of help but it may rule out some options.
Jim.