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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: dorsyb on Friday 02 March 12 21:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
My family name is Burgess, and we come from a long line of Londoners, however, I have discovered my gt gt gt grandfather was Samuel Burgess a card maker from Frome. I know my gt gt grandfather William, his son was also born in Frome, but married in London in 1839.
My thing is, William was born in about 1815, I cannot find a birth for him in Frome to a father Samuel. I believe I have found Samuel in the 1841 census, and also a death certificate in 1844, but I cannot find a parish record for him either. William became a carpenter in London, and so was his son and grandson.
Does anybody know about the Burgess,s of Frome?
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Have you tried familysearch (it's free)
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Hi
Could this be the christening
William Burgess
birth 25th June 1810
christened 15th July 1810
father -Samuel
Mother Ann
Westbury Wilts.
I looked in Frome first and could not see him. The reason I looked in Westbury is that Westbury Wilts is not far from Frome, it was also a place that people from Westbury went to work. I know this has I have family that was born Westbury worked in Frome and if you look at the map you will see what I mean? His mother could have been from Westbury.
poss marriage from familysearch.org
Ann Jones=m= Samuel Burgis 31st may 1808 Westbury Wiltshire
The date of his birth you is out , but whats new! to get an exact birth is great, But often what we think we know and what we find out does not always match!
I hope this is of some help ???
cheers cardiff
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Hi,
thankyou for the replies.
Yes i have tried family research, and also the online look-ups of the Frome parish batisms etc.
Cardiff- i hadnt considered Westbury because on the census of 1851, William said he was born in Frome, but of course you could be right, and i will now take a look at records in Westbury.
Thanks for your help in the matter,
Dorsyb :)
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This may be Samuel who Married 1808 in Wilts;
Samuel BURGESS, Baptised Nov 1784, St John the Baptist, Frome, Somerset
Parents MATTHEW/MARGARET
(Note; between 05-13 Nov)
Also;
JAMES 05 Aug 1787 (Father Mathew, 1 T)
JOSEPH Burges 16 May 1790 (Father Mathew, 1 T)
JOHN Burges, 24 Aug 1794
(Source FreeREG)
Marriage;
04 July 1782, St John the Baptist, Frome, Somerset
Mathew BURGES
Margaret LANDSDOWN
Both of this Parish
Witnesses Thomas JONES, John DEACON
(FreeREG)
Possible Burial;
Matthew BURGESS, 11 Feb 1808, no age given
+ a JOHN Burges 1799 and a THOMAS Burgus 1793, Both with Father Matthew/Mathew
Trish :)
FreeREG has the 1808 Marriage as BURGIST, Note says Samuel signed Burgess
Both of this Parish at time of Marriage.
Witnesses, Stephen TAYLOR/Barker NEWMAN
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OK maybe not, 1841 Frome Census has Samuel born c 1776, Occp Cardmaker.
What is his age on the Death Cert dorsyb? And who was the informant?
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I see Trees have Samuels Wife as Susannah ALLEN married 1795, Frome
Familysearch has a Susanna BURGES Burial 29 July 1810, Selwood, Frome, Somerset
FreeREG has her age 63, so too old to Marry 1795.
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Hi Trish,
Thanks for the info. I have seen the Samuel born in 1785 to a Matthew, but I don't think he is mine as his occupation is different.
I have been following the hunch that the Samuel married to sussannah Allen might be the right one. The only reason being The Samuel is born at the right time and I have discovered that her father Thomas Allen was also a carmaker by trade. Other than finding their marriage in 1795 and a couple of daughters born to those names, I cannot find any trace of William born in Frome to a Samuel.
He gives his fathers name and occupation on his marriage certificate. The only clue I have to being born in Frome and his age is the 1851 census. By then he was living in London?
On the death certificate it says the informant is a Harriet Hewitt, but it gives Samuels occupation as a foreman.
Thank you for your help,
Dorsyb
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Samuels age at death in 1844 was 68
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Matthew Burgess of Frome is my ancestor. He had an occupation of a scribbler or even clothmaker. His children even picked up much of the same trade. This as far as i know, correct me if i'm wrong, is all related to being a cardmarker. Samuel unfortunately is proving a difficult one to track but i know a number of the family over the generations went to London. The problem is sorting out who is from whom. ;)
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Hello Knight1
Knight 1
Thanks for your reply. I'd be interested in what you know about Mathew Burgess. I have found a Samuel Burgess born in Frome about 1784 as a travelling salesman down in somewhere like Southampton.
I don't think my Samuel is the one born in 1784. I believe mine was deffinatly 1776, but there doesn't appear to be any records.
Incidentally, my William Burgess, Samuel's son, who was married to Georgianna Setchell in London in 1839, I cannot find any of them in the 1861 census. They are in the 1851 and I know Wiliiam died in 1866. His wife and daughters re appear in 1871. Maybe If the 1861 census turned up, it would have some more answers. :-\
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Samuel Burgess b. abt. 1776 and Susanna Allen are my 4th great-grandparents. I descend through their daughter Harriet (Burgess) Crine Hewitt. Harriett is on the 1841 census with her father and two daughters. She is probably the Harriet Hewitt who signed his death record. Does anyone have a copy of his death record?
Harriet moved to Massachusetts, USA with her husband, William Hewitt, and daughters in 1854. Her daughter Anne Crine, my 2nd great-grandmother, married William Noble (also from Frome) 07 Jul 1855 in Hinsdale, Berkshire, Massachusetts, USA.
Does anyone know who Samuel's parents were? Any help with these families would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi There
Are you positive the fathers name is Samuel as there is a William born at Frome in 1815 but the fathers name is Charles
All the very best
Phil
Here are the details of the William mentioned above
name - William Burges
born - 5 JUN 1815
bapt - 23 JUL 1815
at - Zion Independent, Frome, Somerset
father - Charles
mother - Mary Ann
source ancestry
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Yes, according to her baptism and death records.
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/60856/englb030d_d-p-fr-jo-2-1-4_m_00118/154086180?backurl=https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/46176592/person/120057785029/facts
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/2101/41262_B139245-00059/65555693?backurl=https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/46176592/person/120057785029/facts
Sharon