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Title: Name help please
Post by: pressingon on Friday 02 March 12 13:34 GMT (UK)
Surname is Huther but can't decide on first name, ancestry have it trascribed as Indian Aries  :-\ which seems doubtful.
Next line is the daughter Mary Amelia Huther
Any help appreciated
Regards
Pat
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: KGarrad on Friday 02 March 12 13:43 GMT (UK)
GenesReunited have his name transcribed as Indianaries (all one word).

Born Ireland, 1823.
Not sure if this fact makes any difference?! ;D

As daughter, Mary Amelia was born in Manchester, June qtr 1848, is there any help from her birth details?
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: pressingon on Friday 02 March 12 13:50 GMT (UK)
Thanks KGarrad, it certainly looks like that - but surley not  ::)
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: pressingon on Friday 02 March 12 13:54 GMT (UK)
We crossed postings I think
I looked for the birth of Mary Amelia on ancestry but must have missed it, I'll have to order the certificate and maybe that will throw some light on it, I thought it might be India Maria but that's not exactly common either  :)
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: KGarrad on Friday 02 March 12 14:09 GMT (UK)
I tried LancashireBMD, but no parents names on there.
(Incidentally, it's probably 25p cheaper getting from their links!)

Also Lan-OPC, but nothing turned up.
Seeing as the father was from Ireland, it is likely to be a Catholic baptism?
And so it wouldn't turn up on Lan-OPC.
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: danuslave on Friday 02 March 12 14:23 GMT (UK)
'Indianaries' Huther was a female photographer in 1871.  Surely that's unusual enough to be on a list - somewhere?

Linda
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: Yorkslass on Friday 02 March 12 14:30 GMT (UK)
Strange this - a Mary Huther, age 57, photographer, born Dublin Ireland appears on the 1881 census, still living in Carlisle with husband Edward.

Yorkslass
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: danuslave on Friday 02 March 12 14:33 GMT (UK)
Snap!  RG11/5157/39/1
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: pressingon on Friday 02 March 12 15:26 GMT (UK)
It is confusing:
My ancestor Edmund Huther was born January 15th 1841 in Dublin, Eire.
His parents were named Edward Frederick Huther and Mary Huther
Edmund opened a photographic studio in Foyle Street, Londonderry when he was about 21 years old and first advertised it in trade directories in 1865
A marriage record relates to an 'Edmond' Huther and states that he married Mary Clarke in Londonderry Roman Catholic Church on the 21st June 1866. It is thought that Mary was born about 1844 in Londonderry
Edmund and Mary had five children who were all born Londonderry. They were James Huther (3 April 1867), Catherine (Kate) Huther (12 July 1869), Edward Frederick Huther (9 June 1872), Edmond Hoye Huther (26 May 1873) and Mary Huther (1876).
Edmund appears to have next advertised his studio in 1878 and by that time he had moved it to the Derry Photographic Studio, 18 Carlisle Road, Londonderry
Edmund died on the 14th January 1877
After Edmund's death, Mary kept the business going for a couple of years in the same studio as she advertised from 1880 to 1882.
She also advertised a studio in Letterkenny, a town across the border in County Donegal in Eire.
However, by 1891 Mary was living with her family in Toxteth Park, Liverpool in England and her eldest son James, then aged 26, was shown as a photographer.
By the time of the 1901 census, Mary Huther, age 57, was living at 16 Brown Street, Glasgow with her son James who was working as a railway porter - obviously having given up his father's and mother's profession

So is this Mary Huther Edmund’s mother?
1861 Scotland Census Glasgow Mary Huther age 37 b Ireland Photographer with daughter Adda age 7
1881 England Census Mary Huther photographer, age 57 Cumberland, England with her husband Edward Huther, taylor
1891 England Census Mary Huther no occupation, age 68, widowed, Cumberland
1896 Mary Huther death Cumberland

As I know this Mary is Edmond’s wife/widow
1891 - Mary Huther age 48 at 11 Penrith Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool with oldest son James (aged 26) shown as a photographer and 3 other children
1901 -Mary Huther age 57, at 16 Brown Street, Glasgow with her sons

Back where we started with Indianaries in 1871 in Cumberland b 1823 in Ireland a photographer with her daughter Mary Amelia Huther also a photographer.
So Indianaries b 1823 and Mary b 1824 both Ireland, both photographers must be sisters surely.
 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: danuslave on Friday 02 March 12 17:52 GMT (UK)
Quote

So is this Mary Huther Edmund’s mother?
1861 Scotland Census Glasgow Mary Huther age 37 b Ireland Photographer with daughter Adda age 7
1881 England Census Mary Huther photographer, age 57 Cumberland, England with her husband Edward Huther, taylor
1891 England Census Mary Huther no occupation, age 68, widowed, Cumberland
1896 Mary Huther death Cumberland


Given that you don't have a census entry for this Mary in 1871, and you don't have entries for Indianaries except in 1871, and that the year of birth is only 1 year different, I would be inclined to assume that they are the same person rather than sisters   ::) :o

Try looking for more information about Adda age 7 in 1861, as well as getting Mary Amelia's birth certificate

Linda
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: pressingon on Saturday 03 March 12 11:19 GMT (UK)
Linda,
I think that is certainly a possibility that they are one and the same.
I have ordered Mary Amelia's birth cert so see what that shows.
Haven't found Adda anywhere else yet, wonder if it'a an abreviation of something else, it's about as likely a christian name as Indian Aries  ::)  :)
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 03 March 12 11:35 GMT (UK)
Is it possible that Indianaries was a professional name?
For the photography business.
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: wilitgo1 on Tuesday 29 March 16 17:38 BST (UK)
Mary Amelia Huther married William Hodgson in Carlisle in 1871. They had several children. In the 1891 census she is listed as Mary A Elliot with one daughter Mary A Elliot aged 1 year old and other children Edward John, Agnes Winifred, Margaret and William Frederick. Edward John married my relative Isabella Gass (daughter of William Gass and Eliza Cant) in 1900 Carisle
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: despair on Wednesday 30 March 16 16:49 BST (UK)
This is a long shot,particularly as I can't find a marriage record to match,but in the 1881 census there is an Adeline Goddard,given born 1854 Edinburgh,Midlothian,with a daughter Hannah given born Carlisle 1876.Given Mary Huther's locations in 1861,1871 could this be her daughter Adda?
Adeline is with her husband Frederick at RG11 2853 64 29(West Bromwich) in 1881

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: wilitgo1 on Wednesday 30 March 16 20:07 BST (UK)
The following is from the Photographers of Great Britain and Ireland 1840-1890
www.cartedevisite.co.uk/photographers-category/biographies/g-to-l/edmund-joseph-huther/

Edmund Joseph HUTHER
 
Edmund Joseph Huther 1841/2 – 1877

 

Photographic Business

Edmund Huther first advertised his photographic studio in Londonderry, Northern Ireland in 1865 and remained in that city until his death in 1877 at the age of only 33.

His wife, Mary, took over the business and ran it until at least 1882 as well as opening a studio in Letterkenny, over the border in County Donegal in Eire.

Census

1851 – census destroyed by fire in 1922

1861 – census destroyed by order of the Irish government

1871 – census destroyed by order of the Irish government

1881 – Mary Huther (Edmund’s mother), photographer, age 57 Twentymans Lane, St Mary Within, Cumberland, England with her husband Edward Huther, taylor

1891 – Mary Huther (Edmund’s mother), no occupation, age 68, widowed, 3 Youngs Lane, Rickergate, Cumberland, England with Adelina Hodgson, 11yo, scholar.

1891 –  Mary Huther (Edmunds wife), age 48 at 11 Penrith Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool with oldest son James (aged 26) shown as a photographer and 3 other children

1901 – Mary Huther (Edmund’s wife), age 57, at 16 Brown Street, Glasgow with her sons James and Edmund and with her daughter Mary Mckeown who had 2 sons, Joseph Huther aged 8 and Edmund Mckeown aged 4.

Edmund Huther was born between January 15th 1841 and January 14th 1842 (according to his gravestone) in Dublin, Eire. His parents were named Edward Frederick Huther and Mary Huther but little else is known of his parents nor his early life as his birth certificate has not been located and census returns from Ireland from that period having been lost or destroyed many years ago.

Edmund opened a photographic studio in Foyle Street, Londonderry when he was about 21 years old and first advertised it in trade directories in 1865. His advert at that time, according to the excellent book ‘A Century in Focus’ by W A Maguire, stated :-
◾Open daily for the execution of Cartes-de-Visite, Glass pictures, & Views taken to order anywhere in the Province
◾Pictures of any description copied and enlarged to the life size by the Solar Camera
◾Photographs painted in Oil or Water Colour
◾Portraits taken at night, or in dark weather, by the Magnesium Light

 A marriage record, which appears below, relates to an ‘Edmond’ Huther and states that he married Mary Clarke in Londonderry Roman Catholic Church on the 21st June 1866. It is thought that Mary was born about 1844 in Londonderry.

Edmund’s and Mary’s fathers are recorded as Huther and Clarke respectively but no fore names are given. The witnesses were Mr Douglass and Mary Jane Douglass.
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: wilitgo1 on Wednesday 30 March 16 20:34 BST (UK)
I am pretty sure that the grandfather of Edmund Huther the photographer in Londonderry is Killean Huther and grandmother Sarah. Edward Frederick Huther was born in London and his son George married a sister of Edmund's wife Mary Clarke. The Clarke's and Huthers seem connected professionally or otherwise.

Marriage     
 Name    George Huther     
 Spouse's Name    Ellen Clarke     
 Event Date     13 May 1849     
 Event Place     St Mary-098,Dublin,Dublin,Ireland     
 Father's Name     Kelian Huther     
 Spouse's Father's Name    Bernard Clarke 

Birth
Edward Frederick Huther
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:14 October 1817
christening:7 December 1817
SAINT ANNE SOHO, WESTMINSTER, LONDON, ENGLAND
 father:Kilian Huther
mother:Sarah
Title: Re: Name help please
Post by: wilitgo1 on Wednesday 30 March 16 20:57 BST (UK)
Seems that Killean Huther married Sarah Buton in London daughter of Gerge Bluton.

Kilian Huther 
 marriage:17 January 1813
Saint Michael Cornhill, London, London, England
spouse:Sarah Bluton

 Kilian Huther
Father
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
 spouse:Sarah
child:Edward Frederick Huther

 Kilian Huther
Father
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse:Sarah
child:George Bluton Huther

 Kilian Huther
Father
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse:Sarah
child:Samuel Keston Huther

Kelian Huther
Father
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse:Sarah
child:Anna Maria Huther

 Killian Huther
Father
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse:Sarah
child:Henry Killian Huther