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looking for info. on the children of John T & Janet Garrick
NSW BDM has the following registation #'s
1048/1859 GARRICK JOHN - parents JOHN & JANET born SYDNEY
10962/1861 GARRICK GEORGE - parents JOHN T & JANET born PARRAMATTA
Thanks Susan
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Hi Susan
NSW/BMD shows John Garrick b 1859 and George Garrick b 1861 to parents John & Janet.
You can follow on ... especially from George ...who married 1878 Fainey Hamilton (also shown as Fanny F and Fanny J)
George & Fanny had several chn ....1881 George James/1883 Wm Stewart*/1885 Agnes/1886 David T/1888 Charles Henry.(d 12132/1955 Redfern)
William Stewart*& Elsie Maud had Elsie Maud 1905-1942...William J 1907 Gordon D 1909 (d1923)
Hope this helps ..Valerie
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Not sure what you already have.
Assisted passages to NSW, aboard Forest Monarch, arriving 21 December 1858, sailed from Plymouth or Portsmouth
John GARRICK, 23, labourer, Native Place: Muckart?, Perthshire
Janet GARRICK, 23, wife, Native Place: Tullacoultre?, Clockmanningshire?
Christina GARRICK, 10 months, died on voyage.
Both can read and write, both religion listed as Pres. Both have same parents listed ??? - John and Margaret, living in Clockmanningshire? for one of them; the other lists the place as Cloughmanningshire?
The index transcribes them as
Origin Location: Clormell, County Tipperary, Ireland
A slightly different list gives the same info but his origin is definitely Perthshire and hers looks like: Clackmannan?
The NSW Quarantine Station site gives this information:
1858 The "Forest Monarch" quarantined with 341 emigrants from Southampton. Dr Crane was surgeon superintendent, T.R. Anderson was commander, A.MacFie - first mate, D.Yeates - Mason.
http://www.manlyquarantine.com/History_1837.htm
Shipping mention on TROVE
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13014732
Edit to add - I think the origin is Scotland as I see this address on Googlemap.
Muckhart, Clackmannanshire
Judith
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From FamilySearch
John's birth?
JOHN GARRICK
Birth: 05 JUL 1835
Christening: 12 JUL 1835 Muckhart, Perth, Scotland
Parents: JOHN GARRICK MARGARET MITCHEL
Marriage
John GARRICK
Janet SHAW
09 DEC 1856 Tillicoultry, Clackmannan, Scotland
Baptism of the baby who died on the ship
CHRISTINA DEAS GARRICK
Birth: 14 AUG 1857 Tillicoultry, Clackmannan, Scotland
Parents; JOHN GARRICK, JANET SHAW
Janet's birth
Janet SHAW
Birth: 14 MAY 1836 Tillicoultry, Clackmannan, Scotland
Parents: GEORGE SHAW CHRISTIAN DEAS
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Judith
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Hi (again!) some descendants can be traced from these sons:
Charles Henry Garrick b 1888 d 8/6/1955 (parents George & Fanny)
'Ryersons' (on-line) has d record 'SMH' 9/6/1955 (Ryersons do 'look-up's for family names).
William Thomas Garrick b1907 d19/7/1961 (54yrs) (son of Wm Stewart/Elsie Maud) (g/son of George & Fanny) d notice 'SMH' 21/7/1961 ('Ryersons' will do a 'look-up'.)
The 'State Library of NSW' (on-line) has an 'Ask a Librarian' service ...they will check electoral rolls for current 'Garrick's if you can give them name of adult male/s and possible areas where to be found.
'White Pages' may also show address .... once you learn family name/s.
Valerie
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Here are the death notices that Valerie referred to for Charles Henry Garrick and William Thomas Garrick
regards,
Ros
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And death notice for Agnes Garrick, daughter of George and Fanny from SMH 15 March 1965
regards,
Ros
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Death Notice for David Thomas Garrick (son of George and Fanny) 1953
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18357547
Death notice for William Stewart Garrick (son of George and Fanny) 1950
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18138880
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18148465
regards,
Ros
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What is the evidence that GEORGE GARRICK who married FANNY HAMILTON is the son of JOHN & JANET?
I have not yet seen a death for GEORGE which gives the correct parents' names, nor in fact, any further reference to GEORGE and JANET at all ::) I do not see any reference to them in the naming of the children of the union.
I would suggest the purchase of the marriage certificate would be a good step.
Sue
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Thanks for reining me in Sue :) I can't see a death for Janet - perhaps the family moved on elsewhere ..?
Perhaps we should tell Susan about transcription agents for certificates which are cheaper than the certified copies and can be e-mailed to you. Also can request just a check of certain fields which is even cheaper.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
regards,
Ros
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Further to Sue's comment - do we have a death for either John or Janet? Perhaps I've missed something but I can't see any definite records for the family after the two births - in NSW anyway. Wondering if they moved on?
They certainly followed Scots custom in the naming of the three children. Once again, Scots custom means that Janet may be known as Jean, Jane etc
??? Judith
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I have not been able to locate a death for either JANET or JOHN GARRICK.
The FANNY HAMILTON who married the GEORGE J. GARRICK married again in 1896-
REG 6848 IN 1896 MACEVOY CHARLES
To GARRICK FANNY- SYDNEY
Here is her birth
REG 930 IN 1857 HAMILTON FANNY J
Father THOMAS
Mother FRANCES - SYDNEY
Her death
REG 697 IN 1925 MCEVOY FANNY J
Father THOMAS
FRANCES MCK- GLEBE
Sue
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Thanks everyone, I ancestor is actually know as George Garnett born abt 1861 but as we have come up against a Brick wall with him and the name Garrick and Garrnett can sometimes be confused I thought - I would test the waters for the George Garrick just in case NSW BDM got it wrong - but looks like this time they have it right - once again I am at a brick wall - thank you all very much for the effort put in
Happy hunting
Susan
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Ahhh....... testing the waters ;D
For the sake of the efforts of the team, it would be nice to think you gained some new information, but perhaps, after all, you did not.
Possibly another time it may be helpful for us know what you are seeking to confirm or disprove, or what exactly you are questioning.
Happy Hunting to you too.
Sue
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looking for info. on the children of John T & Janet Garrick
NSW BDM has the following registation #'s
1048/1859 GARRICK JOHN - parents JOHN & JANET born SYDNEY
10962/1861 GARRICK GEORGE - parents JOHN T & JANET born PARRAMATTA
Thanks Susan
Hi Susan,
May I ask if you have already obtained transcripts of the two NSW BDM certificates you note at your OP please?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html There are details on that thread's OP giving you info about obtaining official transcripts and also on what to expect should be on NSW BDM bc's.
The certs you mention in your OP are both civil registrations, and there ought to be further information about the parents (eg maiden names for the mother/s, origins of each of the parents, occupations for the father/s, ages of the parents and details of where the couple/s married, the address where the child was born etc etc. It is possible that John and Janet and John T and Janet are TWO different couples. I cannot see ANY John Garrick in the 1858 Sands Commercial Directory for Sydney. (Nor any John Garratt/Gerrett/Garnett or other likely variations).
Cheers, JM
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Sorry for lateness in this reply
Thank you everyone for your hard work,
I am against a Brickwall looking for George Garnet/t born 1860/61 my GGrandfather's birth and therefore our Ancestors ( my man is NOT George FW Garnett born 1861 Braidwood died 1924) my George died 1924 and has recorded on his oldest child and youngest child birth Certificate that he was born in Parramatta - therefore I believe he must of live in Parramatta at sometime in his early years and he must of had at least a mother here in Australia, His Marriage and Death Certificates are incomplete and are of no help so unfortunately going backwards I know nothing else - I am at the stage of trying to elimate any other possibilities.
Thank you VERY VERY Much for your dedication in helping other like myself :)
Regards
Susan
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His Marriage and Death Certificates are incomplete
You mean that there's blanks on the NSW BDM issued marriage cert?
Try this thread that I did up, it deals with those elusive blanks .... they are not usually brickwalls, just hurdles sent to test us ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html
Cheers, JM