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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Alexanderina on Sunday 26 February 12 18:02 GMT (UK)
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::)James Paterson.
I am trying to find out what became of my Uncle James Paterson who migrated to Sydney.
He was born 1900 to parents James Paterson and Mary Turner who lived at 109 Claythorn Street Glasgow.He married Margaret Lawson born 22/12/1905 to parents Peter Lawson and Jeanie Mcarthur at 107Greenhead Court Bridgeton, Glasgow in 1923,she was a Domestic Servant and he a Chauffuer.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks Alexanderina
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Hi
Any idea the approx date they migrated
Cass
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Perhaps they were here by 1930.
Was JAMES a hairdresser??
The Electoral Roll for 1930 in NSW shows -
PATERSON, JAMES at McKeon St , Botany. Hairdresser
Same address -
PATERSON , MARGARET, Home Duties.
Sue
ADDING,
No, ::) you have said he was a chauffeur!
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There is a public tree on ancestry which says that the father was James Hunter Paterson. If this is correct then this may be the death for James (from NSW BDM)
father mother district
623/1947 PATERSON JAMES JAMES HUNTER MARY SUTHERLAND
NSW BDM is http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/ and free to search
The tree does not have many details other than James worked as a taxi driver (which fits)
Ryerson Index is also useful to search for death notices http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
regards,
Ros
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Here is the death notice for the above death. It says he was husband of Margaret and loving father of Alex (Royal Navy), Sam., Margaret, John and Thomas. Aged 46 years. Residence 40 Kurnell Rd Cronulla
So the info seems to fit.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27907200
regards,
Ros
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From the Ryerson Index there is a possible death for Margaret in Caringbah formerly of Scotland at age 98(!) in 2003
PATERSON Margaret Death notice 18JUN2003 Death 98 late of Caringbah, formerly of Scotland Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 21JUN2003
You can ask the volunteers at Ryerson for a lookup of the death notice.
regards,
Ros
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PATERSON Type: Burial
Margaret Other Names:
Date of Death: 18/06/2003
Interred Date: 23/06/2003
Location Section Position
General CASUARINA LAWN 1964
PATERSON Type: Burial
James Other Names:
Date of Death: 02/03/1947 ?
Location Section Position
Anglican SECTION 7 0017
http://www.woronoracemetery.org.au/woronora-cemetery-and-crematorium.html
Leanne
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More speculation ...
Could this be the death of son Alexander? Could Alexander have been born in Scotland before they emigrated ?
PATERSON Alexander Death notice 13AUG2003 Death 77 late of Caringbah, formerly of Scotland Daily Telegraph (Sydney) 16AUG2003
regards,
Ros
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PATERSON Type: Burial
Alexander Date of Death: 13/08/2003 Interred Date: 18/08/2003
Location Section Position
Anglican SECTION 7 0017
He is in the same section as James.
Leanne
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PATERSON Type: Ashes
First Name: John
Date of Death: 25/01/2002 INTERRED 04/08/2003
Location Section Position
General CASUARINA LAWN 1964
Maybe the other brother.
Leanne
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This online tree
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/u/s/William-Russell-Lanarkshire/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0067.html
has that James Hunter Paterson married Mary Elizabeth Turner in Glasgow in 1899.
So perhaps we are on the right track ...?
regards,
Ros
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Hi there I just came across your post and wonder if James Paterson was one of two sons and as many daughters (7?) born in Glasgow Scotland.
I have been researching my grandfather Samuel Paterson (born 1904). He had an older brother James who emigrated to Australia in the late 1940's. He seemingly emigrated with his wife and sons (2/3) and died (of a heart attack?) shortly after arriving in Australia.
What caught my attention was the name Mary Turner: my great grandmother's name.
Patty
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Hi Patty,
Welcome to rootschat :) :)
We're hoping that Alexanderina will come back on and tell us if the father's name was James Hunter Paterson as otherwise there are loads of other possibilities for James Paterson and Margaret. Can you confirm this?
Meanwhile if you make 2 further posts - can be trivial - you will be able to contact Alexanderina directly by personal message (by clicking on the little scroll under her name)
regards,
Ros
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Yes Ros this IS the right family: Russells in Bute, Scotland!
I knew the oldest child to be called May. She may have been named Margaret. I think James was born next. My grandfather Samuel was the second son. Names of other sisters as I remember them were Ina, Isa, Ruby and Annie. One of these girls moved to the island of Bute and married a Russell. I'm sure there were other sisters but can't remember their names. All of the girls stayed, and married, in Scotland bar one who moved to England. James emigrated to Australia and my grandfather was in the Royal Navy spending many years on the Australasian line.
Mary Turner is said to have been related to William Thomas Turner Captain of the ill-fated Lucitania.
There is also quite a mystery relating to James and a very large mansion that should have gone to him and maybe (or not) my grandfather after James died. Instead it lay empty for over 50 years.
Patty
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Oh and thanks for the welcome Ros. Thanks too for the information on James which is VERY interesting for me too.
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I've just remembered that the sister who married Mr Russell, in Bute, WAS called Margaret but known as Peggy. Another of James's sisters was called Jessie. Quite a large family there! ;)
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The suggestions about Margaret and son Alexander's death notices were just a guess (there are other possibilities for those too).
However this combination of names on electoral rolls does help to suggest that they could be correct.
1958 ER
PATERSON Margaret, 20 Glassop St, Caringbah, Home Duties
PATERSON Alexander, 20 Glassop St, Caringbah, Gun Dresser
PATERSON Samuel, 20 Glassop St, Caringbah, Machinist
1963 Same for Margaret and Alexander (Samuel not at that address)
1968 ditto
1980 ditto
regards,
Ros
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Hi Patty,
I think Alexanderina has been looking at TURNER's for a while too.
If you click on the little face icon thing on the left in any one of her posts, a page will open where you may look at her recent posts by clicking the option.
I see in Nov 2011 she was particularly interested in Samuel TURNER. You can look at the thread by clicking the subject line there.
You may find it of interest to browse these theads while we are waiting for ALEXANDERINA to acknowledge her replies here.
Sue
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Electoral Rolls
1949
Alexander, Samuel and Margaret at 19 Glassop St, Caringbah
1954
Ditto
This could be Samuel's death notice (although I can't see Samuel on more recent electoral rolls in Sydney unless he became a schools inspector ??? so perhaps he went interstate or overseas)
PATERSON Samuel Death notice 21JAN1998 Death Sydney Morning Herald 23JAN1998
If you go to Ryerson Index http://ryersonindex.net/search.php you can see a link down the left to request a lookup. This is free as it is volunteers who do this for you.
regards,
Ros
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Thanks to all roots chatters for amazing input regarding my Aunt and Uncle this is definitely the family,all the children were born in the Calton district of Glasgow and I think Margaret migrated with children before James as I understand he served in the Royal Navy in WW11 as a Petty Officer and went to Australia after this.It is wonderful how you all found deaths and burials of family.
Patty25,There was no mansion,only a Paterson family house in Cambuslang in the outskirts of Glasgow which was owned by my Great Gran Margaret Hunter Paterson who died there in 1934,also living there were her son Alexander kia 1917 and her daughters Margaret,Jessie and Isabella who were all spinsters.Isabella was the last to die in 1978 and the house reverted to the oldest male Paterson who was Alexander in Australia,he then sold it and returned home.
Your Grandfather Samuel Paterson died in 1953 in Wembley Middlesex,England.
My Mother was Jessie Paterson,and two of her sisters Ina moved to Bromley Kent,Ruby to Oxford.
Further investigation proved that Captain Turner was a myth and he was born in Liverpool.
Was your mother Shirley White my cousin?
Al,exanderina
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Thanks to all for helping out :)
Hi Alexanderina :) Yes I am your cousins daughter and we have been in touch before! It's a small World.
Your Uncle Samuel (Paterson) had two children only, two daughter's, and one was my mother. Thanks for the information about his death. I know he remarried, settled in England and died there. I have a copy of his death certificate and so on and don't think I will find any more than I have done about him now other than searching for his Naval record.
Margaret Hunter Paterson? I'm presuming she must have been my great, great grandmother? Samuel Paterson's grandmother?
The Alexander, you mention, who inherited the house must have been James Paterson's son: James, my grandfather's only brother? The James Paterson who emigrated to Australia?
Shame about the Captain Turner information! A myth! I met Peggy, (Margaret), my grandfather's sister many, many years ago and she outlined that Captain Turner was related to Mary Turner, my grandmother.
My daughter is hoping I will get as much information as I can about my (our) maternal line. I've got loads to go on. All I have to do now is draw up a family tree to keep up with it all ::) :D
Once again thanks again and best wishes to all.
Patty
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Alexanderina
Still thinking about Captain Turner / Mary Turner (or her husband / Turner).
Captain Turner was born in Liverpool but his background was Irish as was Mary Turner's husband.
My great Aunt Peggy (Margaret Paterson) Russell - your aunt, Bute Scotland said, was adamant, that there was a connection between Captain Turner and Mercedes Desmore and her mother, Mary Turner (Paterson).
You say this myth has been dismissed. Do you have any data you could forward to me that could help / prove it hit an end point. If so I would really appreciate it.
I don't want to continue researching this area that is Captain Turner or his niece, the actress Mercedes Desmore, if it is an absolute waste of time.
Need your help here.
Also wondering about the family house (Victorian mansion I thought / saw) you say was left to James Paterson's son. I heard, from you previously, he and his mother came back to Scotland from Australia in the late 40's and left with nothing. I'm gobsmacked now! Totally lost!
To my mind the old aunties who owned the house died after James (late 40's) but before my grandfather (1953). This would seem to indicate my grandfather / his male heirs would inherit.
Alexanderina you say that Alexander, James's son, came home from Australia and sold it off in the 70's but it had been lying empty from the early 1950's and in such disrepair, until recently late 2010 when I last saw it, that there were warning / danger signs around the house. It was totally delapidated. I can't understand why a house James son sold in the 70's had lain empty for nearly 60 + years - 40 years plus from his sale of the house. He sold it 40 + years ago but no-one moved in. Strange to say the least. The bottom line is that this mansion, sale or not, had lain empty since the early 1950's. It's a real mystery.
I hope we make contact with Uncle James relatives, in Australia, to make sense of it all.
Regards.
Patty
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There was no mansion,only a Paterson family house in Cambuslang in the outskirts of Glasgow which was owned by my Great Gran Margaret Hunter Paterson who died there in 1934,also living there were her son Alexander kia 1917 and her daughters Margaret,Jessie and Isabella who were all spinsters.Isabella was the last to die in 1978 and the house reverted to the oldest male Paterson who was Alexander in Australia
Alexanderina
Patsy I have been following this thread with interest and was going to comment yesterday but I see you have now modified your post and removed some of the content :)
I wondered if you had missed the information on Alexanderina's post that the last of the spinsters, Isabella didn't die until 1978 which is 25 years after your the death of your grandfather in 1953.
Have you considered searching google maps streetview to see what has happened to the property in 2012? All sorts of reasons why properties remain derelict for many years including issues with development applications with local authorities.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Just wondering.... I have an Alexander paterson married to an Elizabeth Turner he from newton Stewart,Scotland. b 1827
An Alec Lindley Paterson(Grandson) was born in Driffield,Yorkshire and died in Murchison ,Victoria...Just thought it might be a small world and they all be related...this family having joined yours in Victoria...?? any similarities?
Sally
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oopsy.. dates: b 1887 d 1970. Alec's Parents were Samuel Paterson and Margaret King (b 1856)