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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Ecila on Friday 24 February 12 12:45 GMT (UK)
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I am new to rootschat. hope I am posting in the right place :)
could you offer any help with catherine johnson?1901 &1911 census shows her birthplace as kensal green.
she married joseph notley in1898 - wandsworth
her father was william johnson - road repairer.
have searched and searched for records before 1898 but can't find a thing - would really appreciate any help/advice.
many thanks
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat :)
When do the 1901 and 1911 census's say she was born, ??? we need that with such a common name .
I assume she was a spinster when she married
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hi
thanks for your reply. so sorry, should have said born 1880/1881. Johnson was her maiden name. after her marriage she lived in Battersea with Joseph Notley. They had 4 children - 2 boys and 2 girls but the girls both died before they were 1 (i think)
thanks again for your reply :)
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Can you please post the full reference for the 1901 census please as I cannot find her , neither an obvious birth record
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Hi
In the 1901 census she is Catherine Notley - age 20 - birth about 1881 in Kensal Green London
Spouse's name Joseph Notley
The civil parish they are living in is Battersea
Registration district Wandsworth
piece 444
folio 40
page number 23
hope that is the reference you mean?
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Apologies I missed that she was married in 1898 :-[
Found them now, :) problem with Johnson is it can me miss spelt several ways. :(
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Thanks :) hadn't thought of trying different spellings. Knowing my luck with this branch of the family her maiden name will probably not be Johnson! (this has happened with other ancestors.)
Thanks for your suggestion :)
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Hi
Do you have a copy of her marriage certificate? if not
10 April 1898 St George's Battersea
Joseph Notley, 22, bachelor, labourer, 33 Nine Elms Lane, father Thomas Notley, Plumber
Catherine Johnson, 18, spinster, 26 Woodgate Street, father William Johnson, Road repairer
Dawn
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thanks Dawn - yes I do have a copy. It is the earliest record I can find. As her father was a road repairer I am beginning to think the family may have moved around a lot.
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Just to confuse things I note the 1911 census states birth place is Kensal Green (*)
Moderator comment: The rest of this reply has been edited for content, please do not post information that is not available from the various free indexes.
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thank you :) - I wondered what that note meant. It may explain why I am having difficulties finding her.
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still tearing my hair out about this. ??? i have found a record (1881 census) for a william johnson - widower and children:
Maryann
George
Frederick
Maria
James - not kensal green?
all born kensal green. Is it possible Catherine was born in 1881 and is not on the census for some reason? Maybe in hospital?
any suggestions gratefully accepted.
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The 1881 census was taken on the 3rd of April, if she was born after that date she would not appear.
Can you please post the reference for that census or the ages of the children so we can find it.
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Hi
1881 Census piece 1361 folio 57
William Johnson born 1841 Willesden
Maryann Johnson born 1865 Kensal Green
George Johnson born 1870 Kensal Green
Frederick Johnson born 1871 Kensal Green
Maria Johnson born 1876
James Johnson born 1878 Middlesex
thank you for taking a look :)
ecila
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This is the family in 1891 living in Chelsea
RG12/56/44/20
William Johnson h. m 56 Monumental Mason b Stonebridge London
Kate Johnson 30 b not sure about place of birth
George H Johnson 21 b Willesden
Frederick W Johnson 20 b Willesden
James H Johnson 13 b. Kensington
William Johnson 7 b. Willesden
Maria Johnson 15 b. Kensington
Mabel Johnson 6 b. Willesden.
The reason I looked at this next census was to see if the childrens ages were consistant, which they are I asked one of the moderators which registration district would Kensal Green/ Rise come under, evidently at some time it was part of Chelsea.
As you can see the other children are not given as Kensal Rise on this one.
I found a birth registration of a Catherine Johnson Dec.q 1878 Chelsea 1a - 291 so trying to see if she would fit in with the other children.
Although James H ages gives him born in 1878 , I think this is his actual birth reg....... James Henry Johnson, Dec q. 1879 Kensington 1a - 4 so its quite pheasable for Catherine to be his sister although I cannot be 100% sure.
But I still cant find her in 1881 though :(
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hi
i couldn't find a record for 1891 so thank you :) have now looked at it.
it seems that William Johnson remarried because in 1881 he is a widower and in 1891 has a wife called Kate. I have found a record for his marriage in 1882 to a Kate Lean but as my catherine johnson does not appear on the 1891 census i am beginning to think she is not connected to this family. Pity :(
i may take a chance and request the birth certificate of the record you found for Dec quarter 1878. am also considering getting a copy of her son Joseph Notley's birth certificate in case it gives alternative christian or maiden name.
many thanks for finding the info - would love to know more about this lady but i guess its not always possible to track people down.
ecila
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I wouldent send for the certificate yet as I did come across this family in 1881 living in Chelsea.
RG11/76/12/17
Warren R Johnson h.m. 29 Commission Agent born Rosherville, Kent
Charlotte wife 26 born Cambs
Mary C dau 5 born Cambs
Catherine dau 2 born Chelsea
Frederick I or L son born Chelsea.
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thanks - will look at her son's birth certificate when it arrives and take it from there :)
Have also found a potential Catherine - in London and dates match.
1891 census
Civil parish St Margaret and St John the Evangelist Westminster
Piece 83
Folio 41
Page 36
the place where this Catherine is living may still have records so will try and and check it out.
thanks again for your help :)
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Still on the trail. Have been looking at marriage records for Joseph Notley's siblings in case a Johnson shows up as a witness :)
Have found a potential signature ??? I'm not brilliant with computers so am not sure how to post a copy of the signature I am interested in. If anyone could look up the following record and help me decipher the surname of the first witness I would be really grateful. First name is definitely William.
Record is Ada Notley m George Bunce 12/04/1903 Borough Wandsworth
Parish Battersea St George the Martyr.
Many thanks :)