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Looking for any descendants of Dent families of Romaldkirk and Teesdale. Other names linked with this family are: Alderson, Raine, Watson, Bainbridge, Weightman, Beadle, Allinson, Bowron, Tarn, Bayles.
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I know of a Job Alderson b. 1803 from Arkengarthdale who married Elizabeth Raine b. c 1810, they had a daughter Elizabeth Alderson b. 1833 who was my great great grandmother. Would these be of any interest?
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Sorry can't make any connection, Barney.
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My line of Dents at Romaldkirk are Robert Dent who married Elizabeth Teasdale 20 may 1822. He was of Cotherstone. They had 6 children baptised at Romaldkirk, including my ancestor Dinah Dent b.1825 who married Francis Hall in 1843. Any help ?
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I too have Raine's and Bainbridge's in my search. I am looking for William Rain's parents. He was born in about 1792 in Stanhope. He married Hannah Bainbridge in Stanhope in 1816 (29 jan) and John was born 1816. I have details of Hannah's family but not Williams. His father maybe John Rain who married Mary Wearmouth in Stanhope. If you can help please email me.
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many thanks Sarah
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Barney,
I have an Isabella Raine born Romaldkirk 1771 to William Raine and Hannah Holden, she married my ancestor George Collinson in Romaldkirk in 1801, they had seven children. (according to the LDS site.) is this any help?
Lindy
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According to FTM my wife's 5x Great Grandaunt was a Mary Dent, who married a John Dalton, 17 May 1755 at Romaldkirk. I have no other information on her. I have Dent ancestors from Barningham, which I believe is not too far away. My 4x Great Grandfather was a Matthew Dent who married an Isabel Fryer at Barningham in 1767.
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Looking for any descendants of Dent families of Romaldkirk and Teesdale. Other names linked with this family are: Alderson, Raine, Watson, Bainbridge, Weightman, Beadle, Allinson, Bowron, Tarn, Bayles.
I have an Agnes DENT born 1773 in Romaldkirk, parents as yet unknown, married Thomas HODGSON 29 June 1811, she died in Barnard Castle 1862. Other links ATKINSON (Barnard Castle). I have info on some of their descendants; 2 grandsons emigrated to Canada and one was my GGrandfather. Any links?
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Hi barney
I have (unverified) from an IGI pedigree:
John Dent married Jane, daughter Tabitha b c1758 married William Raine b c1742.
William and Tabitha had William Raine, b c 1791, married Ruth b c1781 Essex.
They in turn had William Raine b c 1814. However, I have some census data for this later William Raine which suggests that he may not have been born in Romaldkirk, but rather in Suffolk.
I'm looking into this at the moment. Any views welcome.
cheers
Paul
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Hi,
Tabitha Dent would be my 2nd cousin, 5 times removed!!
I have her mother as Tabitha, not Jane, daughter of John Dent and Agnes christened 28th Sept 1735 of Intack, Lunedale. My info comes from Romaldkirk parish records.
What else do you need?
Anne.
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Hi Anne
Have you seen the IGI Pedigree record for the Raines and Dents? As I said, I haven't verified the details other than I know that my great grandfather Robert Etherington b1871 married Isabel Raine b1874 (daughter of William Raine b 1847).
Beyond that, what I have is from the pedigree file on the IGI.
Given the difference in date of birth, do you think this Tabitha could be an aunt / neice relationship?
cheers
Paul
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Yes, I've seen the IGI.
Unfortunately I don't have any details on your Isabella or William Raine.
I've just found my notes from Romaldkirk. John Dent m. Tabitha Dent 23rd May 1757. Witnesses were John Dent and Joseph Dent. I'm still looking for daughter Tabithas christening record.
Anne
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This may help someone researching this name:
Bowes Parish Registers
Henry Dent, p Romaldkirk & Mary Bousfield otp, B, 26 Nov 1782 by Joseph Parker Min. of Bowes Wit. Thomas Dent Henry Dent William Bousfield Mary Bousfield
George Dent, p Romaldkirk, Husbandman, & Ann Stevenson, Sp, otp, B, 28 May 1798 by Joseph Adamthwaite, Min of Bowes Wit William Sayer George Dent John Longstaff Ann Stephenson
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A member of a side branch of my family (Robert Dent born 1727 son of William of Maulds Meaburn, later of Appleby, Westmorland) moved to Romaldkirk, married Dinah Longerwood 1747 and had William (b.1748), Elizabeth (1750) and Thomas (1752). Any traces? I saw one person above (Peanut, reply no.3 above) who had a Dinah Dent in her family - the name is suggestive of a link?
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Hi,
I have a WILLIAM DENT of that area married my half Aunt MARY RICHARDSON B1881 who was from Startforth Yorks. She lived with her grandparents at Bowes.
They had 3 children who I think were born at Cotherstone.
Gladys, Ena Elizabeth and Joseph DENT.
Interested if any one else is connected.
(I also have Dents from Kings Meaburn Westmorland)
Judy
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Not sure if i have communicted with you, Anne, elsewhere, but I have a John Dent in my tree (1695-1755) married to Agnes Raine (d 1749) wth children John Dent of Bowbank (1727 - 1810), Ann Agnes Dent (b 1730) and Joseph Dent (b Nov 14, 1731)
John 1695 - 1755 had siblings Willliam 1694 - 1742, Lionel d 1718 and Mary d 1723, all of Romladkirk.
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By the way, what is the IGI and where would I find it?
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Try This link
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Home/Welcome/home.asp
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My grandmother was Mary Dent, I know she was born in Teesdale in March 1883, and the 1911 census sates she was born in Laithe Kirk. I think she was orphaned when young., possibly brought up by relativesShe is related to Collinsons from Crosby Ravensworth/Maulds Meaburn. I would love to know the name of her parents
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Hi Barney and everyone!
I realize I come to this discussion very late, and also I am not a direct descendant of the Dents, but I have recently discovered a member of the Romaldkirk Dent family amongst the outer twiglets of my family tree. She is Peggy Dent, who married James Dunn of Hamsterley, Co. Durham, in about 1800 at Romaldkirk. I am descended from the Graham family of Ferryhill, and one of Peggy's granddaughers married John Graham, the brother of my great grandfather David. Also, one of her Dunn nephews married another member of the same Graham family. Peggy and James lived at Diddridge in the parish of Hamsterley and raised several children there. Peggy lived on until about 1851. I can supply more details if anyone is interested.
I am very keen to learn the particulars of Peggy and James' marriage as recorded in the Romaldkirk parish records, and would be very grateful if some kind person could look them up for me.
Happy hunting to all!
Lazytee.
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Peggy and James were married 18th Oct. 1800. at Romaldkirk
And If Peggy was 70 in 1851 she was born 18th May, 1782 and her Father and mother could be John and ann
JR
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Thank you very much for that info, Roger. I am most grateful, as it confirms something I needed to verify.
I have been doing more digging today and found that Peggy and her husband James Dunn had at least 12 children, all born at Diddridge near Hamsterley, and that he was considered to be a gentleman. Happily, I did not find any deaths of their children while young.
Can you tell me, please if the Romaldkirk parish registers are available online?
Kindest regards,
Hazel.
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Unfortunately Romaldkirk parish is not online like most of the other Durham ones.
I only know what i have put on previous post because i have some Dents BMD from Romaldkirk.
JR
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Romaldkirk christenings 1578 - 1772 and marriages 1578 - 1773 are available on IGI and are listed in Hugh Wallis's web site on IGI batch numbers.
However they come under North Riding of Yorkshire, because Romaldkirk, Cotherstone etc are all on the Yorkshire side of the Tees and were in that county until only a few years ago. Though the boundary changes brought them into Durham, for ecclesiastical purposes they stayed in Yorkshire and are, I think, part of the diocese of Ripon and Leeds.
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Roger and Geordie:
My apologies to you both for not replying to your posts more promptly. And thank you, Geordie - I am pleased to know about the Romaldkirk records on the IGI, though they do not cover the period I am interested in.
And thanks again, Roger, it is kind of you to share your information with me. I checked on Peggy Dent's age: the 1841 census (never 100% reliable for ages) shows her as 55, and the 1851 census as 70 (much more likely, I feel), matching more or less with the baptism in the Romaldkirk records. I found her death in the BMDs for Auckland in Q1 of 1856.
The family of her husband James Dunn seem to have been well to do farmers; they are described in the Hamsterley parish records variously as "farmer", "gentleman" and "yeoman". From 1768 onwards, and possibly before that (I have not been able to access records earlier than those published on the IGI), until at least 1826 they lived at Diddridge, which lies between Hamsterley and Witton-le-Wear. From what I can glean from the Bishop's Transcripts the Dunns seem to have been the only family living there, so it seems probable that the family worked the farm themselves; James was the eldest son and he had several brothers who would have been able to help him.
I just wonder how it came about that James went to Romaldkirk and met Peggy. I did find a family of Dents living in Hamsterley parish, though not until 1821, but perhaps there was there was some kinship between the Dent families living in the two parishes.
I am still digging in the Hamsterley BTs and will post a message if I find anything of interest.
Thanks again to you both.
Hazel.
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Young people in the early 19th century were a lot more mobile than we often expect. For a start, there was a tradition in the North East of children being brought up by other family members to ease the pressure on young parents (and,when older, of caring for elderly grandparents), and given the size of many families this could mean they grew up away from their birth parents. This certainly seems to have been the case in my family. I wonder also if families involved in farming might also expect their sons to work on other farms for a while, perhaps making use of family links, learning the trade - but this is just speculation. Certainly, at the level below "gentleman farmer" young people, male and female, were moving nearly every year between farm jobs.
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Hallo again Geordie!
Thank you for your useful observations on farm life in the 19th century. It could well be that James Dunn went as a young man to work on a farm near Romaldkirk to get experience. I have noticed that his brothers seem to have moved away from Hamsterley to live and have married girls in other parishes. There could have been many different circumstances "when Jimmy met Peggy"!
Cheers,
Hazel.
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Yes- well I'm just sorry that my comments seem to have come out in my teacher mode. I sound as if I am giving a talk to Year 10. Once a teacher.....
But this thing about mobility is something that really interests me. There is a myth that people stayed in the same place for generations, but the minute you start going back in your family tree, you find people moving about all the time. It does make tracing them more difficult, especially pre 1851 census. I suspect that this mobility is greater among poor people in the north of England than in the south and it would be intriguing to work out in what period this mobility begins. Perhaps one day all the family historians could join together to pool data in some grand project!
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Hi again Geordie!
I chuckled when you said you sounded like a teacher, as it didn't come across to me like that at all. I thought it sounded more like someone who is knowledgeable about family history!
I agree that we often have the wrong idea about our 18th and 19th century ancestors, thinking that they were pretty well stuck in one place, because transport and communications were so different from nowadays. I have found that this wasn't always the case at all. My coal-mining ancestors, especially the colliery sinkers, seem to have moved around on a regular basis when they were young, only being more settled in later life.
And from what I can see of my lead-mining forbears in Allendale, each child was born in a different house. They always seemed to be on the move, even if they did not go very far.
Thanks again for your thoughts.
Regards, Hazel.
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Hi,
I have a Hannah Dent born 1798 in Kirton and baptised in Romaldkirk in January 1798, the daughter of a Thomas and Mary Dent. Her grand-daughter inherited a tea set that had belonged to the Bowes family. I know that a Ralph Dent worked for John Bowes as a land agent and was one of the few present when John's wife laid the foundation stone for the Bowes Museum, does anyone have either of these Dents in their family trees who might be able to shed some light into how this all fits together? I don't know much about Hannah other than that she married George Stabler and that the Stablers seemed very proud of their Dent name. They lived in the Mickleton area before moving to Middleton in Teesdale.
Regards,
Dan
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I have a Henry Dent, Baptised May 18th 1812 in Arkengathdale, North Yorkshire. His younger brother Thomas was baptised there on November 15th the following year.
There parents were Charles Dent and Mary Garthwaite. I can trace Mary's family back several generations as they seemed to be settled in the village of Marrick.
I know nothing of Charles, however. The trail is completely cold. I know there were a lot of Dents in Romaldkirk, so I've often wondered if that's where he came from.
Although I know what became of Henry and his family I have no idea what became of Charles and Mary following their children's baptisms.
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I remember spotting loads of Dents in the Marrick registers and Garthwaites too, the Dents went back a long way, the Garthwaites not so, so it is possible the Dents came from Marrick? I mentioned Hannah Dent in my last post from Romaldkirk, her daughter Mary married John Petty whose mother Elizabeth was born Betty Garthwaite in Marrick, strange coincidences.
Dan
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I think when we found Mary's family we looked for Charles too, without success. That said, I don't remember finding any Dents, in the Marrick registers. Given your recollections in perfectly possible we may have missed the Dents due to looking for them at the end of a tiring day at the records office, or some other distraction...
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There were definitely quite a few Dents in Marrick, I remember noticing them because of my later Dent connection, these Marrick Dents were all about mid to late 1700s as I recall. I didn't take a great deal of note however. Sorry. The Northallerton Archives has an indexed transcript of Marrick so a trip there would make short work of it.
Dan
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Hi, not sure if I connected with this post previously but if I haven't I should have.
We have a few Dents in our family tree, some bumps and scrapes as well ;DI think, but the Dents are:
John b c1600; father to John 1628; father to John/Talbot 1655; Father to Isabel c1680. Married Anthony Todd in 1709 Durham Cathedral. The IGI has another Hannah Dent marrying another Anthony Todd abt 1720, but to my knowledge he is at this stage not on the f Tree.
Anybody got a connection to these Dents??? All had abode in Durham, not sure where border was at that time with Yorkshire.
Neil
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Hello,
A Canadian Dent descendant here.
I have Hannah Dent, christened 7 Jan. 1798, Romaldkirk, dau. of Thomas Dent and Mary Hall (I think this is the same as yours, Dan?), married James Ireland. I also descend from Mary Dent, daughter of James Dent and ?, christened 05 Jan 1707 in Middleton-in-Teesdale -- who married another Ireland.
A lot of interrelated families from this general area (Bowes/Romaldkirk) but with links as far west as Carlisle, Penrith, etc. (names include Dent, Gastell, Ireland, Feddon, Best, Raine) moved to Ontario, Canada, between 1819 and 1835.
This is Joseph Ireland's house:
http://www.museumsofburlington.com/ireland-house/information/general-information
His paternal grandmother was Mary Dent.
Best,
A.J.
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Sorry to butt in on this thread as I don't think my Dents came from Romaldkirk but thought I might join in anyway as there are so many of you that there maybe a connection somewhere. The furthest I can get back with My Dents was the early 1830s - my ancester Henry Dent's parents were Thomas Dent and Ann Hutchinson but I can't find a trace of Thomas Dent either before or after that time frame (can find all the rest of the family ok). I've bought numerous death certs for Thomas Dent around that time but never struck the correct one and can't definitively find a baptism. The only certainty I have for him is that his occupation was tanner (sometimes referred to as barker/tanner) which is fairly unusual and maybe some other members of his missing family were tanners. He was married in Bishop Auckland but they seemed to live mainly around the Bolam, Gainford area. Would love to find out where he came from originally.
Fingers crossed someone knows something of him.
Anny
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Hi anny, Any Idea when Thomas married at ASAndrews?
Neil
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Neil,
Thomas Married, 19 january, 1818. at ASandrews.
The marriage is on p483 on tthe Family Search site for ASA, also on P 524 second son William Christening.
JR
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Thank you Neil & Jolly Roger, yes I got the marriage and also baptism of William 2nd son of Thomas & Ann but have never been able to find a baptism for the 1st son. Sorry for the delay in replying but I'm in Australia.
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Hi All, this is some of the scratchings I made while researching some DENT Family connections. It may be useful to any Dent Research. Hope it is readable?
Neil ;D
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Hello All,
I am coming late into this conversation but I am trying to find the Dent connection to William Raine b1792 Romaldkirk. He married Ruth from Essex and they had..
William b1814
Henry b1816
Ruth b1818
Tabitha b1822
Mary b1824
George Dent Raine b1832
I don't know if George Dent Raine is correct here, given the wide gap between the last two children
but I do have William and Ruth residing in Gainford,Barnard Castle in 1841 census with Tabitha 20 and George 12.
I understand there may be a Tabitha Dent bc1742 who married William Raine bc1742.
Can anyone help verify any of this information ?
Many thanks....
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Can't confirm the connection but Tabitha and Tabby Dent is a reoccuring name in the Romaldkirk records, these Dents seem to be from the Mickelton/Lunedale areas.
Cheers,
Dan
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Hi AngieK - I havent looked at the Raine side of my tree for a while but a quick check in the tree tells me that William Raine and Tabitha Dent married on 28th January 1780 in Romaldkirk - I got this from Durham archives I believe and it sticks in my mind that Tabitha signed her own name.
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Thanks Lallie111,
I wonder if you have the information on their children, which I believe may be William,John,Robert and Tabitha ? I have found quite a lot of information on familysearch.org but their marriage and their children do not appear to be listed.
Thanks,
Angie.
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Hi again.
I'm descended from their son William who married Ruth from Essex, I dont have anything on their marriage though I'm afraid.
I have information on Robert and Tabitha although its only what I've gleaned from the censuses online and marriage index. I have Robert marrying Jane Scott and moving to the Sunderland area. Tabitha seems to have married William Wilkinson in 1810 - both have several children.
As I said, I only have this information from census.
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I too am descended from their son William and Ruth from Essex, via their son William b1814.
Thank you for the info, it certainly helps.
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I'm descended from daughter Ruth who married John Elgy. We must be some kind of cousins :) Its frustrating not being able to find anything about the Ruth from Essex.
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Has anyone come across this before? I gather my grandmother Mary Dent was brought up at Grains o Beck after something befell her parents-I wonder if it was this? Here are a few verses from Tragedy of the Fells, about an event from 1892
Now Grains o’ Beck is know so well,
By Lune it stands and near the fell,
Oft mantled with the snow,
The people too are widely known
Remembered for their kindness shown
To travellers high and low.
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Two miles or more they were away,
When John Dent did so sadly say
“My strength is at an end”:
As there he stood, or rather reeled,
The others promptly, for too shield
From falling, aid did lend.
Then to the wall by the Hurth end,
John’s mortal, mournful march did end,
On earth no more to roam:
From thence another escort then
(But ‘twas not human not of men)
Was to convey him home.
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St Mary's Parish Church, Barnard Castle
"Sacred to the memory of John DENT who died June 13th 1845 aged 63 years. Also Ann, daughter of the above who died July 22nd 1836 aged 31 years. Also Margaret who died April 1849..." Stone eroded
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Hi there,
Just trying to catch up with one or two things and I came across a posting for someone who is a descendant of the Dent family via William Raine, his wife Ruth and their daughter Ruth, Chrstnd 8/3/1818, who in turn went on to marry John Elgy in 1837 at Auckland St. Helens Durham.
It would seem that this person and I could have a connection as John Elgy is my G/G Grandfather !!, Elgy being my mother's maiden name.
Whilst tracing the Raine family I think I am correct in saying that Ruth (1818) was the third of six children born to William Raine and his wife Ruth, but there are so many Raines, I have not been able to verify for certain any details concerning these two people, either their dates of birth, date of marriage or deaths. Is this the Ruth who seems to have originated in Essex ? and if so, does anyone know anything about her ?
I hope that I have not added confusion to the Raine/Dent saga, but would really appreciate any information that anyone could add.
Thanks.
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Hi
Your best bet would be to reply on the original post that you found. I have looked but can't find one with a William married to Ruth. As you say there are lots of Raine families but if you know where you found it I could merge the posts.
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I think this is a case of my being slightly computer non competent !! There are quite a few pages and postings concerning the Dent family of Romaldkirk, one in particular caught my eye, posted by Laille 111, which was in response to a previous post. In this Laille 111 indicated that she was descended from a Ruth Raine who had married a John Elgy. As you can see from my posting, John Elgy was my G/G grandfather, and I was hoping to get in touch, somehow with Laille111. I have read your private messages notes and tried to follow them through,but I am not getting the responses which it says I should, probably me going wrong somewhere. Therefore, is it possible for you to divert or merge the two postings without compromising any of your rules. Hope you can follow this, and thanks for bearing with me.
Yorkyboyl
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Hi Yorkieboyl. I haven't been on this site for a very long time but just spotted your post tonight. John Elgy is my Gx3 grandfather and my mother was also an Elgy before she married.
I'll send you a pm if I can work out how to and if I can help in any way I'd be delighted to.
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My great great grandfather was John Feddon Ireland born in Nelson (Burlington) Ontario, son of James who was son of Joseph. John Feddon Ireland was referred to as John Feddon, John Ireland who lived at the Ireland House (Oakridge Farm) was the youngest son of Joseph, and then there was Copetown John who was I believe son of James who was married to Hannah Dent. My great great grandfather was simply referred to as John Feddon, he married Catherine McKinnon of Milton, or Esquesing, his sister Margaret married a Chisholm from Milton (Esquising) and their farm is the site of the Maplehurst Correction Centre they had a son Feddon Chisholm know only as Fed. When John married Catherine McKinnon, he is referred to as John Fedon in the Creighton Family Bible. Yes many Dent, Ireland Families here in Nelson in 1800's. Nelson was formerly know as Hannahsville after Hannah Dent. Mary Raine was my g. g. g. g. grandmother and have been to Bowes to St. Giles to see the grave site. Joseph Ireland who build the Ireland House was baptised by Bishop Blye (who is said to be related to Captain Blye of the Bounty) at Romaldkirk. Blye Cottage still stands at Romaldkirk.
We regularly have Ireland Family reunions on the grounds of the Ireland House and all Ireland Family descendants are welcome. The Church of England (Anglican) Church St. John's Nelson was constructed by Joseph Ireland with other locals and is still an active parish in Burlington at the corner of Guelph Line and Dundas Street in Burlington with many Irelands buried in the graveyard that is part of the church grounds. I believe that Hannah Dent was married to James Ireland and that she may be buried in Bowes at St. Giles. A gravestone marks the site of James resting place and refers to Hannah Dent.
Would be happy to take any photographs of the Ireland House which is now a museum, the church of St. John's Nelson, the grave yard or any grave stones that you would like. There is a copy of the registered names of people buried in the St. John's Cemetery and believe that it is on line. When Joseph left Bowes, it was positioned in North Yorkshire, the boundary changed and Bowes is now in Durham.
Most person on this site will already know much of this.
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;) Hi all,
please can i ask if any of you can make a connection to:
Isacc Rowbotham & Elizabeth Dent.
Married 26th August 1809. Middleton in Teesdale.
Children:
Ann born 1811. James born 1817. Mary b 1823. John b 1826
Mary born 1823 married George Macintosh 1843. Wolsingham. Durham.
All the best.
Derek ;)
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Hello, well you may have found a descendant. I am PeterDent , my father was Fred Dent and grandfather was also called Fred. He was born in1885 in Langley Dale( within 10 mls of Romaldkirk. I know very little of the family history. I have distant relations in Kirby Stephen, Lancaster as grandfather had several brothers and sisters, Alice, Virginia,Watson, Nixon these being the only ones I have herd of. He had 8 children, John,Harry, Fred.george.Thomas, Alice, Phylis andJean sadly all dead apart from Phylis who suffers from dementure and the youngest Jean who is still fit and now well into her 80s. We were farmers and we were on the same Raby farm for around 130 yrs until 2006. Lingey Steele was its name, now known as Steele house on Google. Hope this is some help. Peter
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Hello Peter, sorry not sure if your posting is for me or others,
all the best.
Derek