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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Jessies Mum on Thursday 23 February 12 01:48 GMT (UK)
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Born 24 May 1911, died 1969 - daughter of John Thomas Turner.
Any information would be much appreciated.
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Hi
Not sure what you already have on this lady, but there is this, apologies if you already have this information...
Marriage Register
St John the Baptist
Barnsley
7th February 1931
John FIRTH 26 Bachelor Coal Miner of 4 Burleigh Street Barnsley Father = Arthur FIRTH Clogger
Victoria May TURNER 19 Spinster Shop Assistant of 5 Duke Street Barnsley Father = John Thomas TURNER Coal Miner
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Edward Priestley and Hannah FIRTH
Cheers
Karenlee
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Dear Karenlee,
Thank you so much - am after anything I can get hold of - know absolutely nothing about her parents other than the name only of her father from the marriage certificate.
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Hi
It appears, from the address on this, that Victoria had at least one sister Susie...
Marriage Register
St John the Baptist
Barnsley
21st April 1919
Bernard BROOKE 22 Bachelor Coal Miner 63 Copper Street Barnsley Father = Fred BROOKE Colliery Labourer
Susie TURNER 19 Spinster of 5 Duke Street Barnsley Father = John Thomas TURNER Coal Miner
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were William CRAVEN and Nellie MCNICHOLAS
Karenlee
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Given the last message...
1901 Census England Yorkshire Barnsley
RG13/4312/194/13
37 King Street
TURNER
John Thomas Head Marr 29 Coal Hewer Staffordshire Great Bridge?
Mary Ann Wife Marr 28 Yorkshire Mapplewell
James Son Unmarr 5 Yorkshire Barnsley
Harry Son Unmarr 4 Yorkshire Barnsley
Susan Dau Unmarr 1.5 Mths Yorkshire Barnsley
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This might be John Thomas TURNER's marriage...
Marriage Register
St Mary Barnsley
25th Dec 1894
John Thomas TURNER 23 Bachelor Miner of 82 Cemetery Road Father = Charles TURNER Miner
Mary Ann HOPES 22 Spinster of 41 New Street Father = James HOPES Miner
The groom signed and the bride made her mark
Witnesses were Samuel SEARGENT and Florence WRIGHT
Karenlee
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Maybe Victoria's siblings...
Baptism Register
St Peter Barnsley
James son of John Thomas and Mary Ann TURNER of 2 Clifton Street. Baptised 15th Jan 1898. No birth date provided. Father's Occupation Miner
Jessie daughter of John Thomas and Mary Ann TURNER of 2 Clifton Street. Baptised 4th May 1898. No birth date provided. Father's Occupation Miner
Harry son of John Thomas TURNER of 2 Clifton Street. Baptised 4th May 1898. No birth date provided. Father's Occupation Miner
FreeBMD has a death for a Jessie TURNER Barnsley March Quarter 1901.
Karenlee
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Marriage Register
St John the Baptist
Barnsley
25th Dec 1918
James TURNER 23 Bachelor Coal Miner of 5 Duke Street. Father = John Thomas TURNER Coal Miner
Gladys TOWNSEND 20/28? Widow of 5 Duke Street Father = Eli SHAW Coal Miner
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Herbert CHARLESWORTH and Charlotte WHITE
22nd Sept 1917
Harry TURNER 20 Bachelor Coal Miner of 5 Duke Street Barnsley Father = John Thomas TURNER Coal Miner
Florence Mary CLEGG 18 Spinster Bobbin Worker of 5 Duke Street Barnsley Father = Arthur CLEGG Deceased Railway Fitter
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were James TURNER and Doris SWALES
It appears that there were at least 2 other children born to John Thomas and Mary Ann TURNER after 1901 ... George and Wilfred.
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This looks good for being your John Thomas ...
1881 Census England Yorkshire Woolley
RG11/4599/90/7
Woolley Colliery
TURNER
Charles Head Marr 39 Coal Miner Shropshire Not Known
Susan Wife Marr 32 Staffordshire Great Bridge
Richard Son Unmarr 11 Scholar Staffordshire Great Bridge
John T Son Unmarr 9 Scholar Staffordshire Great Bridge
Edward Son Unmarr 7 Scholar Yorkshire Woolley Colliery
George H Son Unmarr 5 Scholar Yorkshire Woolley Colliery
Charles Son Unmarr 3 Yorkshire Darton
Rebecca Dau Unmarr 8mths Yorkshire Woolley Colliery
Edward MUSGRAVE Boarder Unmarr 35 Coal Miner Yrokshire Horbury
Albert INGLES Boarder Unmarr 20 Coal Miner Yorkshire Horbury
Karenlee
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Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant - thank you karenlee, this is great news that until now has been completely unknown! If you are able to go back any further even with John's father Charles Turner or Mary Ann's father James Hopes would be awesome!
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Karenlee - that is amazing, you've just gone back another generation for me! Thank you ;D One very happy vegemite here!
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I think that this is Mary Ann...
1891 Census England Yorkshire Barnsley
RG12/3773/140/58
41 New Street
HOPES
Sarah Head Wid 50 Shop Keeper Lancashire Manchester
Joseph Son Unmarr 24 Coal Miner Yorkshire Mapplewell
Matilda Dau Unmarr 20 Fruit Hawker Yorkshire Mapplewell
Mary A Dau Unmarr 18 Fruit Hawker Yorkshire Barnsley
Alice Dau Unmarr 15 Fruit Hawker Yorkshire Barnsley
1881 Census England Yorkshire Barnsley
RG11/4600/117/3
52 King Street
HOPES
Sarah Head Marr 40 Greengrocer Lancashire Manchester
Emma Dau Unmarr 22 Greengrocer Lancashire Manchester
Jane Dau Unmarr 20 Greengrocer Yorkshire Mapplewell
Amelia Dau Unmarr 12 Greengrocer Yorkshire Mapplewell
Matilda Dau Unmarr 10 Scholar Yorkshire Mapplewell
Mary A Dau Unmarr 8 Scholar Yorkshire Barnsley
Alice Dau Unmarr 5 Scholar Yorkshire Barnsely
Karenlee
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I am fairly sure that these are children of James and Sarah HOPES
Baptism Register
All Saints
Darton
All baptised 26th Feb 1865
No birth dates provided
James son of James and Sarah HOPES of Mapplewell. Father's Occupation Miner
Emma daughter of James and Sarah HOPES of Mapplewell. Father's Occupation Miner
Jane daughter of James and Sarah HOPES of Mapplelwell. Father's Occupation Miner
Joseph son of James and Sarah HOPES of Mapplewell. Baptised 30th Sept 1866. Father's Occupation Miner.
Baptism Register
St John the Baptist
Barnsley
Alice daughter of James and Sarah HOPES of King Street. Baptised 13th Nov 1884. Father's Occupation Miner
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Then according to the marriage between John Thomas Turner and Mary Anne Hopes, Mary Anne's father was James, so possibly a marriage somewhere between Sarah and James?
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sorry, it looks like i'm posting just after you have - my apologies.
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Looks like Sarah HOPES finally remarried
1901 Census England Yorkshire Barnsley
RG13/4315/92/1
41 New Street
FARMER
Sarah Head Marr 60 Grocer Lancashire Manchester
Matilda HOPES Dau Unmarr 29 Forewoman Mineral Water Works Yorkshire Mapplewell
Alice HOPES Dau Unmarr 25 Yorkshire Barnsley
James A HOPES Grand Son Unmarr 8 Scholar Public School Yorkshire Barnsley
Alice HOPES Grand Dau Unmarr 5 Scholar Public School Yorkshire Barnsley
Oliver HORNE Boarder Unmarr 24 Basket Maker Yorkshire Leeds.
FreeBMD has..
Marriages December Quarter 1895
Barnsley Yorkshire
Volume 9c Page 373
FARMER William
HOPES Sarah
Karenlee
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1871 Census England Yorkshire Darton
RG10/4643/44/27
Club Gardens or Row
HOPES
James Head marr 32 Coal Miner Gloucestershire Not Known
Sarah Wife Marr 33 Lancashire Manchester
Emma Dau Unmarr 12 Yarn Spinner Lancashire Manchester
Jane Dau Unmarr 10 Yorkshire Darton
James Son Unmarr 8 Yorkshire Darton
Joseph Son Unmarr 5 Yorkshire Darton
Amelia Dau Unmarr 2 Yorkshire Darton
Matilda Dau Unmarr 8mths Yorkshire Darton
Possible marriage for James and Sarah
FreeBMD
Marriages March Quarter 1858
Manchester Lancashire
Volume 8d Page 394
DIXON Sarah
HOPES James
Karenlee
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1911 Census has Matilda HOPES with her daughter Alice HOPES living with William WATSON who she marries in 1913. Suppose that James A HOPES is her son too.
Karenlee
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I have to disappear for a few hours but will check back when I get home. Will see what else I can find if no one else has picked up on this thread by then.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Thank you sincereley karenlee, can't wait to pass this on to the family I am checking into this for - direct descendants, so they will be thrilled!
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Back again.
Fairly sure that this is the James A HOPES from the 1901 Census I sent earlier... mother most likely to have been Matilda HOPES.
Marriage Register
St Mary Barnsley
24th Nov 1914
James Arthur HOPES 22 Bachelor Miner 63 Spring Street Barnsley No details regarding Father
Eleanor LOCKWOOD 28 Spinster of 22 Somerset Street Barnsley Father = Solomon LOCKWOOD Deceased Engine Driver
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Solomon Vincent LOCKWOOD and Ethel Polly CASTLE
Marriage Register
St Peter Barnsley
27th March 1913
William Henry WATSON 56 Widower Blacksmith of 17 Pontefract Road Father = William WATSON Deceased Blacksmith
Matilda HOPES 42 Spinster Domestic Servant of 17 Pontefract Road Father = James HOPES Deceased Coal Miner
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Harry BONSON and Alice BONSON
Marriage Register
St Mary Barnsley
3rd Feb 1901
Joseph HOPES 32 Bachelor Drayman of 41 New Street Father = James HOPES Miner
Alice PLATT 38 Widow of 45 Old Mill Lane Father = Charles FEVERS? Tailor
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were John HOPES and Mary Eliza BIRKINSHAW
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This looks like the daughter who was with Matilda HOPES in 1911... sister of James Arthur
HOPES
Marriage Register
St Peter
Barnsley
13th April 1914
Edwin BARRACLOUGH 19 Bachelor Glass Machine Hand? of 16 Pontefract Road Father = Joe BARRACLOUGH Carter
Alice HOPES 18 Spinster of 17 Pontefract Road No details for Father provided.
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Reginald Leslie DUNCAN and James Arthur HOPES
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Back to the TURNER family...
This might be useful in tracking down Charles TURNER, father of John Thomas TURNER.
1871 Census England Staffordshire West Bromwich South West
RG10/2982/17/27
32 Fisher Street
TURNER
Charles Head Marr 27 Miner Ludlow Shropshire
Susan Wife Marr 22 West Bromwich Staffordshire
Richard Son Unmarr 1 West Bromwich Staffordshire
Given that Charles and Susan TURNER had a daughter Rebecca, and that Charles was born Shropshire and living in Staffordshire, then this might be Charles TURNER as a young man....
1861 Census England Staffordshire Tipton
RG9/2044/120/30
Horsley Heath
TURNER
John Head Marr 63 Coal Miner Shropshire
Rebecca Wife Marr 65 Shropshire
Mary Dau Unmarr 29 Seamstress Shropshire
Sarah Dau Unmarr 25 Seamstress Shropshire
John Son Unmarr 23 Coal Miner Shropshire
Edward Son Unmarr 21 Coal Miner Shropshire
Charles Son Unmarr 19 Coal Miner Shropshire
George Son Unmarr 17 Coal Miner Shropshire
Timothy Son Unmarr 3 Scholar Staffordshire Tipton
I have my doubts about Timothy belonging to John and Rebecca... more likely he is the son of one of the older girls...
In 1851 Charles birthplace is given as Cainham Ludlow Shropshire
Baptism Register
Caynham Shropshire
Children of John and Rebecca TURNER
Richard 11th Dec 1831
John 21st Aug 1836
Edward 4th Aug 1839
Timothy 1st Nov 1841
Benjamin 1st Nov 1841
Charles 25th May 1843
George 18th Jan 1846
Karenlee
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The best way to make sure that all that I have listed here is correct is to purchase the relevant Birth, Death and Marriage certificates. That way you will know for sure that you are following the right family.
Cheers
Karenlee
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I am just starting out on my family tree and this is so useful Victoria May Turner was my paternal grandmother, I am very excited to find this.
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It was your brother Alison that I did all of this research for and forwarded it on to you via email some years ago.
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mmm I don't recall receiving anything, but that's not to say it didn't get deleted. Still I enjoyed doing the research managed to get back to 1765. Now to start mothers side!