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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Pughy on Monday 20 February 12 13:53 GMT (UK)
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HI All
I have just received a Death Certificate for James Mckenna who died in 1883 Newcastle on Tyne
The informant on his Death Certificate is a Catherine Finnigan who I am thinking is his Daughter Catherine who appears on the 1851 Census age 2 & the 1861 age 13yrs.
On the Death Certificate Catherine gives her place of residence in 1883 as 8 Monk Street Newcastle.
I have searched for a Marriage for Catherine McKenna with a Finnigan without any luck also I cannot find her on any of the Census after 1861 either as McKenna or Finnigan
Catherine McKenna born abt 1848 Ireland
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Regards
Pughy
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1871 reference RG10, 4958, 103, 36
Cornsay Colliery, Coarnsay, Durham
McKenna, James Head M 53 Coal Miner b Ireland
McKenna, Catherine Wife F 54 b Ireland
McKenna, Mary A Daughter F 26 b ENgland
McKenna, George Son M 24 Coal Miner b Scotland
McKenna, James Son M 21 Coal Miner b Scotland
McKenna, Catherin Daughter F 17 Dressmaker b England
McKenna, Ellen Daughter F 14 Dressmaker b England
Doyle, Mary A Servant F 13 General Servant b England
Green, John Boarder M 22 Coal Miner b Scotland
McDonally, James Boarder M 17 Coal Miner b England
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HI KGarrad
Sorry but this is the wrong family James McKennas wife was Margaret & Catherine was 17yrs old on the 1861 Census which would make her abt 27yrs in 1871, but thank you for trying
Regards
Pughy
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So that I can tune into the right family can you tell me the name of James wife and where were they in 1851 and 1861?
Thanks
Nicola
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Hi
if she was born 1848 - she would be abt 13 yrs in 1861 not 17 yrs :-\
Is she at RG9 3814 / 38 / 69
Catherine 13 yrs with parents James and Margaret with siblings?
heywood
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1881 RG11 5060 / 146 /19
James and Margaret McKena with son John (fits with 1861)
1871 RG10 5074 / 55 / 30
There is a death for a Catherine McKenna in 1862
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HI
Beg your pardon you are correct Catherine was 13yrs not 17yrs in 1861 RG9 3814 38 69
On the 1851 Census James was living in Byker Newcastle Upon Tyne with his wife Margaret & children Bartholomew recorded as Bartley,, Maria, James, Catherine, his occupation was a Labourer
Census Ref No HO107/2408 Folio 93 Page 15
On the 1861 Census James McKenna was living in Sunderland Street Newcastle Upon Tyne with his wife Margaret & children Bartholmew,Elizabeth,Mary,Catherine, John, James occupation was a Labourer.
Census Ref No RG9/3814 Folio 38 Page 69
On the 1871 Census James McKenna was living in West Gate St Newcastle Upon Tyne with his wife Margaret & son John James occupation was a Labourer John was a Glassmaker Aged 17yrs
Census Ref No RG10/5074 Folio 55 Page 30
On the 1881 Census James was living with his wife Margaret & son John, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Jame occupation was a Labourer, John was a Glassmaker.
Census Ref No RG11/5060 Folio 146 Page 19
James & Margaret had both died prior to the 1891 Census
Hope this is Helpfull
Regards
Pughy
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Your best bet is the baptism of John McKenna whose birth may not have been registered. You will also normally get two named baptismal sponsors who were often relations.
J.T.A.
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From what I recall, John was born in Ireland.
I thought that the death certificate may have given Catherine Finnegan as daughter.
Presumably, at the moment,you are not certain that it is her?
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The family were in the 1851 census at Byker before John was born. John is dittoed born Ireland in one census but born Newcastle in every other census .
J.T.A.
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Thanks J T A - I should have realised with the dates given but didn't check ::)
How would his baptism though help to trace Catherine?
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Not trace Catherine, but Pughy is also looking for John's birth and his mother's maiden name though I realise it is not under this subject. The Catherine McKenna who died 1862 you found may also be in the church burial registers.
J.T.A.
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I have just had a look at the other thread and see that one certificate has been sent for already which was wrong.
Just for info there is a John McKen in the list for 1854 which could be a misheard version of McCann etc but on the other hand may be McKenna. :-\
Pughy you could ask for a certificate specifying the parents. It used to be the case that if it couldn't be found the fee would be reduced.
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HI All
That John McKen looks promising heywood I will send for it specifying the parents.
I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks Again
Pughy
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Have you thought if Catherine is not deceased she could have been married twice,
March 1871 Catherine McKenna to Henry Collier,
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Hi Radcliff
Yes it could be a Possibility but on trying to find the marriage you mention Henry Collier in which I was not successful I found 4 other possible Marriages for a Catherine McKenna with Registration District Newcastle upon Tyne in the yrs 1864, two in1871, & 1879,
I think the Marriage to ???? Finnigan to Catherine is the one to try to find but I am not having any luck.
Thank you for Trying
Kind Regards
Pughy
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Perhaps you are too fixed on the notion that Catherine Finnigan was formerly Catherine McKenna. In 1881 there were two other Catherine Finnigans in Newcastle.
J.T.A.
Just noticed, I mistakenly said two other Catherine McKennas when of course I should have said two other Catherine Finnigans which I have altered.
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HI All
Just had another thought on James Death Certificate Catherine Finnigan gives her address as
No8 MONK STREET NEWCASTLE I know it is a shot in the dark & 2 years later but is it possible to search the 1881 Census by Address the Address being one of the requirements on the 1881 census.
If it is possible how?
Regards
Pughy
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There are no house numbers on Monk Street in 1881! ::)
However I can't find any McKenna or Finnegan on Monk Street.
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I have searched for her as Catherine Finnegan there is one over in Durham husband Edward but the marriage isnt her,or I dont think it is,one in Scotland in 1881 butno husband with her,she could be any where
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There are no house numbers on Monk Street in 1881! ::)
However I can't find any McKenna or Finnegan on Monk Street.
1881 - James and Margaret McKenna are in Friars (Monk St
- Friars :)) it is the same registration district.
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Hi heywood
Yes I agree I did a Google for Monk Street they appear to be still there present day Friar Street & Monk Street are quite.
I was in Friar Street That James Died.
I went through every Image on the Census that Registration District no sign of any Finnigans.
Running out of things to do
Regards
Pughy
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I suppose it is trying to eliminate the Catherine who dies perhaps?
If you could find any church records it may help- if they stayed in same neighbourhood etc.