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Title: birth of john henry gill
Post by: bozzwell on Monday 20 February 12 07:30 GMT (UK)

i would like to know who the parents of john henry gill born 1888 i think).he was born in douglas isle of man and 1n the 1911 census was living at 5,fairy ground. i think his wife was agnes (no surname)
i would appreciate any help. thank you.

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 20 February 12 07:53 GMT (UK)

Think this is him in 1901?

Reference RG13, Piece 5305, Folio 86, Page 8
30 Barrack Street, Onchan

Gill, Norman W  Head  M  45  Corporation Labourer  b Douglas
Gll, Elizabeth A  Wife  F  44  b England
Gill, Norman T  Son  M  15  Newsboy  b Douglas
Gill, John H  Son  M  13  Newsboy  b Douglas
Gill, Elizabeth J  Daughter  F  11  b Douglas
Gill, Sarah J  Daughter  F  9  b Douglas
Gill, Rachel  Daughter  F  8  b Douglas
Gill, Douglas  Son  M  1  b Douglas

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: bozzwell on Monday 20 February 12 08:03 GMT (UK)

Thank you Mr Garrad for the info you gave me so promptly. It confirms what I also have found.Do you know what his wife Agnes's m/s was?
Thank you

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 20 February 12 08:14 GMT (UK)

Looking at Lawson's BMD site http://www.iomfhs.im/lawsons/LawsonBMD/Main_Site_index.html

Marriage 28th June 1908 at St George, Douglas
Gill, John Henry
Holmes, Agnes

Volume D, Page 381b


A quick (very quick!) search of Lawsons Births, finds this:
12th May 1899
Douglas Gill  son of Norman Gill and Elizabeth Ann Foster

So now you have John's mother's maiden name, too!

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 20 February 12 08:28 GMT (UK)

Other children of Norman Gill and Elizabeth Foster:

9th May 1883, Agnes
30th April 1881, Edith
21st March 1879, Elizabeth Fanny
21st July 1889, Elizabeth Annie
12th May 1885, Norman Thomas
12th March 1893, Rachel
27th September 1891, Sarah Jane
27th October 1897, Walter Daniel (died 12th August 1899)

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: Frances_mnb on Monday 20 February 12 18:16 GMT (UK)

Norman Gale age 25 a Tobacco spinner is at 18 Fort St in 1881 with wife + 2 ch
in 1861 entered as Noman William - the william from his fa's name
in 1861 Agnes born Lenark [?lanark] Scotland - appears to be a widow as head of household at 23 Shaws brow
in 1851 newly married Wm Gale (born Marown) age 29  a shoemaker at 58 Sand st (today Strand street - main shopping st in Douglas)

it is possible that Wm was bapt Andrew Wm Gale/Gill s/o Wm Gale/Gill + Elizth Clucas Marown 18211021

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: bozzwell on Monday 20 February 12 18:36 GMT (UK)

Thank you very much indeed Mr Garrad. You have given me such a lot of information and I appreciate it very much.
I will look at the lawsons BMD ( now that you have mentioned it) to see if I can find  John Henry Gills wife and children. Thanks again for your help.

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: bozzwell on Monday 20 February 12 18:39 GMT (UK)

Thank you Frances very much for your help. It's marvelous how you and Mr Garrad found all that information. I do appreciate all your help. Thanks again.

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: Frances_mnb on Monday 20 February 12 18:55 GMT (UK)

Agnes is I think d/o John Templeton + Marion Crawford - both scots born Farm steward at ballagarey farm house Marown in 1841(judging by age of ch only arrived in IoM  between 1835 and 1839  - Agnes m Wm Gill Braddan 1849-06-23

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: bozzwell on Thursday 23 February 12 05:35 GMT (UK)

Thank you to both Mr Garrad and Frances for all your help. I appreciate it very much. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but have had no internet for a couple of days.Please can you tell me where I can get information on the children of John Henry Gill (b. 1888) and Agnes Holmes (b.1886)
Thank you.

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: Frances_mnb on Thursday 23 February 12 21:54 GMT (UK)

20th C births - basically pay for certs from General registry (lookup at www.gov.im)

Title: children of john henry gill
Post by: bozzwell on Sunday 25 March 12 11:42 BST (UK)

I've had such a lot of help from K Garrad ans Frances who have given me the names and DOB of the children of John Henry Gill and Agnes Holmes. All except one son who I know existed. His name was William John Gill  (known as Jack) and was born in Douglas IOM 1920. He was my son-in-laws Dad.
I'm wondering if I'm on the right trail as my son--in-law remembers his Dad mentioning three of his siblings who were Gertrude, Roy and William Henry( who apparently died in the war.)
I'm not sure what to do now as I have searched abd searched and come up with what I've already been given.

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: Frances_mnb on Sunday 25 March 12 11:50 BST (UK)

20th C records post 1911 are difficult to research due to data protection/privacy laws - you could try getting access to the British Library scanned IoM Times (used to be available via larger libraries in UK tho I understand the mechanism has recently changed) as carried probably the most BMD announcements  - otherwise buy a cert for the one you know and check that the parents are who you think

Title: Re: birth of john henry gill
Post by: bozzwell on Sunday 25 March 12 13:24 BST (UK)

Thank you Frances for your help and advice. I will do as you suggest.
Thanks again.