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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Hatchetman61 on Sunday 19 February 12 10:07 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for any information about a John James McGinley (born c 1876) who married an Ellen McMullan (sometimes shown as McMullin) in 1899.
In the 1901 and 1911 census records they are residing in Bonds Street and one of their children, Doris was my grandmother.
He worked as a railway mechanic and his father was John. This is where my research ends.
Any information on McGinley, or indeed McMullin, gratefully received.
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Hi,
3 Jan 1899 John James McGinley married Ellen McMullin in All Saints Clooney Church of Ireland, Clondermott Parish, Londonderry.
Regards
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Hi,
Sometimes worth a few trial and errors on the Rootsireland site.
Positive result turned up for Ellen McMullin m. John McGinley 1899 with brides father as JAMES McMullin.
Familysearch has the following:
Ellen Mc MULLAN b. 02 Jun 1876, Londonderry to James Mc Mullan and Catherine Mc Comb.
1911 census return has John James and Ellen with same age so 1876 birth for Ellen Mc MULLAN would tie in with your date of 1876 for John James' birth.
regards
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Familysearch also has:
Catherine Mc Comb b. 07 Nov 1853, Lower Cumber, Londonderry to Samuel Mc Comb and Jane Knobbs.
And also to the same couple:
David Mc Comb b. 30 Apr 1858
Sarah Jane Mc Comb b. 09 Apr 1860
both also in Lower Cumber.
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Thanks, but this is mostly all I already have.
Perhaps I should have stated that I am trying to find out more about John McGinley's siblings / parents. I believe his father was also John and "my" John may have had a sister, Ellen, and a brother.
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"Familysearch also has:
Catherine Mc Comb b. 07 Nov 1853, Lower Cumber, Londonderry to Samuel Mc Comb and Jane Knobbs.
And also to the same couple:
David Mc Comb b. 30 Apr 1858
Sarah Jane Mc Comb b. 09 Apr 1860"
Not sure if this is the same family. I have Catherine's father as James
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Hi there.
I know the McGinley family who lived in Bond Street Waterside Londonderry.
John and Ellen had a few Daughters and Sons. Some of Ellen and Johns Grandchildren could help you with your information. They all don't live in Londonderry anymore but I could help you. Doris had a few sisters Evelyn, Catherine, Oliver,Florie and a brother Herbert
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If you have any contact details for any of the McGinley's I would appreciate it.
I know of my grandmother's brothers and sisters, but having moved away when I was young, have little contact with anyone, apart from Florrie's grandson in Belfast and he isn't able to provide any information.
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Hi..
I'm Herbert Mcginley Grand daughter, my Mum is Eleanor Mcginley.
My grandfather and you grandmother were brother and sister..
My Mum still keeps in contact with Evelyn McGinleys daughter ,Lesley Kinkaid in America and also Olive Mcginleys Family, Esedale, Lorraine and Alan Craig.
She's also in contact with Nellie Mcginley sons Harold.
I said to Mum last night about your message...
She remembers her Grandmother Ellen McGinley nee McMullin , her father was a minister.
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Mum was wondering if you might be Jim Smallwoods son,as Jim moved to Glengormley area and she has kinda kept in touch with the rest of the family over the years...
There is a very large connection of cousins and second cousin's down the lines..
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Hi
I am indeed Jim Smallwoods son, Andrew.
I had bother identifying the mcginley line beyond my great grandfather as census records showed born in londonderry but couldn't find birth.
I know of many of the lines from my granny's siblings but haven't been in contact with anyone.
Any details would be much appreciated.
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Hi Andrew.. Mum will have a chat with Esedale, she lived in Bond Street as a child with Ellen and John Mcginley so she remembers quite a bit.
I think they will only be able to give you information on as far back as that..
Mum remembers all her cousins and her fathers brothers and sisters well.
I keep in touch with a few, of the Mcginley family line of today..
What information were you looking and I'll try jog Mums memory.
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I had my granny's brother and sisters -
John James (born and died in 1899)
Kathleen (Born Apr 1900) married a Thomas Moore with family, Evelyn (married Angus Mackie) Florence (married Hugh Walker) Hazel (married Jim Ritchie) and Uel (married Deirdre Norris)
Ellen (Born Mar 1901) - is this the Nellie you mention with a son Harold?
Florence (Born Jan 1903) married a Thomas Wray with family Adrian, Marion and Norma (knew them as they lived in Belfast)
Herbert (Born Nov 1904) married a Mary Leith with daughter Eleanor - your mother?
Jack (born Sept 1906)
Evelyn (Born July 1908) married James Kinkaid with family Andrew Kinkaid - I didn't know about a Lesley!
Norman (Born Aug 1910) married Matilda Bond with family Mervyn, Norma, Raymond and Wesley
Doris - my gran
Harold - born 1918
Olive (Born Feb 1920) married William Craig with family Esdale, Alan and Lorraine.
Their parents were John James McGinley and Ellen McMullin and her parents were James McMullin & Catherine McComb.
It's John James McGinley I get stuck at as I cannot find a birth and on the census he says he's from Londonderry and the only births appear to be in Donegal. His father was John according to the marriage certificate but that's all I have.
I have found another John McGinley married a Margaret Taylor, and I have an Ellen McGinley who was also in Bonds Street and may be a sister of my great grandfather, but don't know for sure.
I do not know if this is 100% correct and any corrections or additions would be great, along with any info on John James McGinley's parents, where he was from etc.
Andy
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That's as far as Mum can remember.
Shes remember's going to visit her Grandfather's brother in Magilligan, but I'll ask Lesley in America and see what she can remember...
Your list of the family is brilliant.
Florrie Wrays children were
Ethel, Norma, Reggie,Marion and Adrain.
Reggie lived in Jersey and Ethel moved to America.
Evelyn Kinkaid had 3 children.
Andrew,Lesley and Derek.
Lesley lives in America and Derek still lives in the Waterside.
Harold McGinley another sibling changed his name to McKinley and moved to Scotland. He married a girl called Jean.
Nellie Diamond ,Mum says she always knew her as Nellie had a few children.
Harold,Jim,Jackie,Harry,Danny,Nellie ,Meta Kathleen,Olive.
Danny,Olive and Kathleen all moved to England.
Meta was about 16 or 17 when she passed away.
Kathleen Moore had,
Evelyn, Florence, Hazel,Uel and Norman.
Norman moved to south Africa.
Herbert and Mary McGinley had.:
Evelyn, Eleanor and Jack.
Evelyn passed away quite young.
If I get any more info I'll let you know. Since all grandparents the family tree is forever growing and we are all over the world now.
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Thanks, a few extra names there. So your mum woul dbe a cousin of my fathers. I remember as a wein visitng folks when he would have gone fishing (and I stayed with granny in Alfred St back then). We would have gone to Evelyn and Angus Mackie's and I remember Kinkaids and Esdale Craig, who would have been a bit younger than my dad. We spent a lot of time with Hazel Ritchie and indeed the last time I met a lot of people would have been her funeral.
We visited so many people back then and I do not remember many of them. I remember visiting out in Newbuildings and have no idea. I also remember visiting more out into the country and a row of three or four houses sitting back from a main road, but no idea who or where.
My dad had prepared with me and my brother a rough tree, but this went missing after he died, but in any case was mainly Smallwoods, which was smaller as my grandfather was an only child.
I now live in Fermanagh and have no contact with anyone from the McGinley side. Recently caught up with Adrian Wray's son, Darren, but he knows very little of the McGinley family. We used to visit Florrie a lot in Ballysillan when my dad would have looked after her garden. Also remember her being forced out of Atlantic Ave in Nelfast at the start of the troubles.
Would love to meet up with some of the McGinley's some time soon.
Andy
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Miss GDT: If you are talking to Lesley would you kindly let him know that I would like to chat with her. I had where she lived in Ontario but don't know where she is now. Just send me word by private chat on how to contact Lesley.
The Knobbs connection here is interesting as Robert Knobbs of Kildoag, Lower Cumber married Elizabeth Kincaid (Kinkaid, Kinkead, Kincade, etc.) in the early 1800s.
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Looking at your John James McGinley's marriage record, I can't quite make out his dad's occupation, but wondered if it might be to do with the Army. Did you figure it out? Also, John gives his address as 16 Bonds Street at time of marriage.
Now, the house numbers on census aren't always accurate, but, if you look at house 16 in 1901, there is a McGinley family (and a boarder who is a Compositor - same job as your John James) with a widowed Margaret as head. One of the children is an Alfred. Looking at Alfred's birth certificate, his dad was a John McGinley, soldier. Margaret's maiden name was Taylor.
Whilst it could be a red herring, I think it is worth looking more closely into this family group, as potentially, they could be your John's family, albeit depending on how accurate Margaret's age is at 1901, as she is only showing as 38, and how accurate your John's is. Even if not his mother, there may be some link with John (for example, step mum). There is an adult male, James McGinley, born County Tyrone, also boarding in the household.
Edit: I've just realised from reading back on thread again, that you have probably already considered the above.
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Could the occupation say 'Trumpeter, (Personnel?), Staff RA?
I've found a partial service record for a John McGinley, apparently born Glendermott Parish but living Clooney Parish, Waterside, Londonderry, who was about 26yrs old in 1874/76 (?), a bugler, and married. Occupation a musician, and had served on staff of Londonderry Militia since 1866. Record notes Trumpeter McGinley died at Londonderry on what looks to read 9/10/98. Note is signed by a chap who was a Captain, RA, Adjt. L'Derry Artillery.
In 1889, a 13yr old John McGinley (so born 1876) of Clooney Parish, also enlisted in the Militia. He was discharged by purchase in 1894. Of importance to my earlier suggestion in previous post, is that his address was listed later in record as Workhouse Road. Alfred McGinley's birth address was also Workhouse Road.
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Throwing this in for consideration and further checking.
There was a John McGinley and a Grace Gallagher having children in Londonderry area in the mid 1870s/to early 1880s. There is then the death of a Grace McGinley in the Londonderry area in 1885, aged 31.
Edit:
Ruled out for now, as he seems to have been a labourer and they lived at Ballougray.
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Keeping with the trumpeter and RA theme.
On May 21st 1901, an Ellen Elizabeth McGinley, Bonds Street, daughter of a John McGinley, trumpeter, married an Albert Edward Sherlock, Bombardier, Waterside Barracks.
So looking good for the Ellen you thought likely to be sister of your John, and fitting well with other finds on their likely father, John.
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Margaret McGinley of 16 Bonds Street has moved to Emerson Street by 1911.:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_No__5_Urban/Emerson_Street/606609/
Her daughter, Sarah Jane, having married a Bertram Peake , can't quite make out his rank, but he was based at Ebrington Barracks, on 29th September, 1910. She listed her father as John McGinley, soldier.
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Marriage (1901) Ellen Elizabeth McGinley https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10309/5752460.pdf
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www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Queenstown/Spike_Island/405661
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Margaret's son, Robert, married Ena Quigley, on 13th October 1910, again his father, John Quigley, soldier.
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Robert McGinley m.(1910) Ena Quigley-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/10000/5636632.pdf
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Perhaps you already have all this, Hatchetman, as I've just noticed that someone with Smallwoods research, submitted a pedigree resource file to familysearch on 25/08/2016, with John McGinley, Margaret Taylor plus children Sarah (and spouse), Alfred, and Robert (and spouse) all included?
The same file also has a John McGinley, born c1840, as father to a John born c1865 (seemingly the one married(?) to Margaret Taylor), and then a John James born 1876 and an Ellen born 1880.
I am still leaning towards there having been one John McGinley, born c 1848/50, father of John James, having possibly had two marriages and two sets of children or, given that in 1911 Margaret stated she had 8 children born and 6 living, that she was either his only wife and mother of all his children or she possibly brought some children into her marriage(?) with John, who took on his surname and believed him to be their father, and that she was perhaps a bit older than the census ages for her suggest.
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Going on possibility of Margaret being older and on a McGinley surname mis-transcription, there looks to have possibly been a Margaret Taylor/John McKinley marriage in Londonderry in 1874. Not available to view via irishgenealogy for the date in question, but it does come up with one of possible husbands as John McKinley on FindMyPast (albeit Margaret may have married one of the other men on the same page) . Perhaps someone could check Emerald Ancestors, as they have an 1874 marriage of a John McKinley to a Margaret indexed as well as an 1874 Margaret Taylor to a John indexed, both for Londonderry.
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The 'missing' 8th child (not 8th born), transcribed as McInley:
William born 1879 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGL1-YZG
Birth Workhouse Row (some of their other children had Road), father, John a Bugler, Londonderry Militia, so in keeping with what we have already discovered.
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Thanks for all this. I had suspected Ellen as a sister of John James.
Will need to take all this in!
Thanks again.
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OK, at irishgenealogy, now have what appears to be your John James recorded as McInly, born what looks to be first Nov 1876 at Cross Street (so still same general area), to father John, Militia Man.
The mother is what looks to read Margaret, albeit shown as formerly Long. That said, neither parent registered the birth, so there is obviously the possibility that Margaret's surname could be incorrect (the woman who registered the birth signed with 'her mark', so wouldn't necessarily have noticed if there was a mistake or she may have said Long in error).
Same entry indexed at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGK9-8S9
Whilst there are Margaret/Maggie Long marriages in the are around the timescale, none so far seem to be to John.
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And finally, again at irishgenealogy, have Ellen. She was registered as Elizabeth Ellen McGinly, born 4/1/1882 at Workhouse Row. Father is John, what looks to read Drummer (rather than bugler or trumpeter), Derry Militia. Mother is Margaret, nee Taylor.
Elizabeth was indexed as M'Ginly at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBWL-XP1
Now looked at marriage index at GRONI and confirms, as I suggested earlier in thread, that there was a John McKinley to Margaret Taylor marriage on 1st October 1874. I would think it well worth purchasing some credits to check if this could actually have been John McGinley.
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Trumpeter J McGinley's death is noted under Military News in the Derry Journal of October 10, 1898. He apparently died in the military hospital at Ebrington Barracks the previous morning, which fits with the note on his militia records saying he died on the 9th.