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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Jean Price on Sunday 10 June 07 05:08 BST (UK)
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Hello All,
It has been suggested that I check this book that was privately published about 1897.
I am looking for an Elizabeth Cammock/Cammak/Camac/ etc etc who married Peter O'Reilly about 1834 - 1837.
Their first living child that I know of is James born in Cavan in 1837 and went to Victoria, Australia where he married Annie Matilda Phelan.
Hope I have put in enough detail.
Regards,
Jean
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Jean, the book is catalogued in the Linen Hall Library, Belfast with slight differences to your information, with even more info in the British Library Catalogue
Author
Fisher, Frank Owen
Memoirs of the Camacs of Co. Down : With some account of their predecessors. / Edited by Frank Owen Fisher
Publisher Jarrold and Sons Norwich, Yarmouth and London : 1897
Notes "For private circulation
Copy for consultation in the Linen Hall Library, Belfast.
Another copy is at the British Library, London
System number 001243113
Author - personal FISHER, Frank Owen.
Title Memoires of the Camacs of Co. Down, with some account of their predecessors. Edited by F. O. Fisher. (Vol. 1. Memoirs of the Camocks.).
Publisher/year pp. x. 97. For private circulation: Norwich, 1897.
Physical descr. 4º.
Added Entry CAMAC, Family of, of Co. Down
Holdings (All) Details
Shelfmark 9906.bb.26. Request
Have you considered photocopying yourself if it is purely for private research, or asking someone willing to do it for you. the book is only 100 pages, which could be 50* A4 openings. It could be cheaper say on Amazon or e books etc or perhaps from Jarrolds who still exist in Norwich, England. I wonder did he leave a manuscript of Vols 2 or 3 etc.
Finally have you exhausted Ros Davies Co Down website where she has headings for CAMAC . . also see under Cammock & Comac
Good luck, Jim
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Thank you for your reply Jim.
I did some serious Googling today, and found first of all that the Cavan Research Centre had not given us quite the correct author's name.
I also found on several Genealogy Forums people who said they had this volume. I just have to hope that their email addresses are not out of date.
Apparently the name Camac etc, is not known in Cavan, where our O'Reillys are. And looking at the map, Kingscourt is quite a way from Down, especially, I imagine in the early 1800's. So the next thing to work out will be how they met.
Thank you for your interest.
Jean
PS Yes, Have had another look at Ros Davies. Unfortunately we do not know our Elizabeth's fathers name. Will keep working on it.
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Hiya Jean,
There are also copies of the book you are seeking in the ...
Central Library, Belfast ... Belfast Ulster & Irish Studies
Their copy appears to be a photocopy which is for reference purposes only
SEELB Local Studies, Ballynahinch ... it looks as though library members may borrow this copy.
Christopher
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Hello Christopher,
I have found a person doing a One Name Study of Camac, and on the GOON site he says he has this book. Am composing an email to him.
Regards,
Jean
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Hi Jean
I am Richard Cook my gran was a Camac and as I have been doing some research I have come across
your name on this site, first posted in 2007
I was interested in the Fisher book you have been looking for have you had any success in finding it. my Camacs are from Hertfordshire, London England and Ireland hope you receive this and we can chat some more,
Best regards Richard.
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Hello Richard,
I must have forgotten - or something - because I never did write to the One Name Study - now that you have reminded me I will see if I can find the refenece to him again.
Regards,
Jean
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Hello again Richard,
I have just sent an email to
Mr Tim J Sylvester
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cammack - at - one-name.org
Regards
Jean
Att Mods - this address has been copied from the GOON's web page.
(*) Moderator's Note: mailing address removed- please use PM (Personal Message) to exchange such details
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for your reply, did you find the marriage between Elizabeth Camac and Peter O' Reilly,
from reading your passed messages it looks as if you thought the answer would be in Frank Fishers book the memoirs of the Cammocks printed 1897.
I am interested as I have the original manuscript and it ends in the year 1737 in Dublin with the death of John Camock.
I wondered if the printed version carried on passed 1737, I have heard there are volumes 2 and 3. do you know of there where abouts,
The reference numbers that Jim gave you for the British library and in Belfast haven't come up with the first volume.
Best regards Richard
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Hi Jean,
I think you may have sent me a p/m about the cammock memoirs which I have not been able to view
only because I didn't know how to retrieve it, then lost it, I think I've got it sorted out so if you would like to resend it I shall try again. I see that do a lot of research is this for your family tree and are you connected with the cammocks.
This is the first time I have used this site so basically don't have a clue,
Best Regards, Richard. [laird]
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Hello Richard,
I have copied your message from the NZ Board to this one.
No, I have not sent you a PM - everything is on this thread.
Nor have I heard from the One Name Study Person.
Jean
*Moderator's Note: message posted on NZ board now merged with this topic
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Hi Jean I have not received your email but have discovered this trail through Google and have joined the site so I can reply.
I do indeed have a copy of "Memoir's of the Camac's of Co. Down" which was edited by Frank Owen Fisher. It was commissioned by John Camac (1833-1896) of Philadelphia and La Roche, with whom Fisher seems to have been very close
The book, was privately published in 1897 by Fisher in England, following its commissioners death. Despite its title, the book deals mostly with the Cammock family of Essex and Lincolnshire, only touching in the final chapters with the Irish family of the above John Camac which he claims to be descended from that those families.
The book does not I am afraid show Elizabeth Camac who married to Peter Reilly and I have no record of this marriage from Irish parish registers though I have seen it mentioned by Reilly researches in the Anglo Celt in 1998.
There is a later book, based on fishers research and published by William Masters Camac of Philadelphia "Memoirs of Camac's of County Down" Wm M Camac, 1913. This gives a good summary of what is in Fishers book and adds some later information on the American family and there intermarriage. It is available from the Family Search website but again does not mention your family.
Cavan is not a County associated with the Camac family in Ireland. Down, Antrim, Louth and Dublin are the areas they lived. The only connection that I can find with Cavan is a marriage between Eliza Marianmissa to Arthur Robert Newburgh of Ballyhaise, county Cavan in 1792. The Newburgh's children changed there name to Camac Newburgh under the terms of the will of ELiza's father Jacob Camac's.
I hope this answers your query.
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Hello Tim,
I am glad we finally caught up with each other - I had sent you two emails - many months apart - I wonder if your link on the GOON's page is wrong - but now you have answered me and I can take that book off my list of things to do.
So, back to the drawing board.
Thank you for your lengthy answer.
Jean