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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Brennan04 on Friday 17 February 12 02:38 GMT (UK)
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OK. My grandfather had one of the most common names in Ireland...Patrick Smith. We have some information on him but wanted to see if anyone could help me a little bit more. This is his family in the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Merchants_Quay/Meath_Street/1299523/.
So I know he was born around 1895. He died around 1959 in Dublin. His middle name was Augustin/Augustine. He married Kathleen (Kate, Catherine) Pelly in 1934 (I have the m/c but it only gives his fathers name which was also Patrick).
I am trying to locate his mother's maiden name in hopes to go back a little farther. I have tried to find his brothers/sisters on familysearch.org but cannot come up with anything concrete enough to say that this is his relation. I am hoping to eventually get some of his records but his mother's maiden name is almost a necessity :0(
You guys were wonderful in helping me with my grandmothers side and I am still finding more and more out about her side from all the great info you guys gave me and am hoping you can help me with this rather tough one:0)
I also know that he was married before my grandmother but his first wife passed away. Not even sure of her name. He lived in Crumlin when he passed away.
Trying to give out as much info as I have.
Thank you for any info you can give me!!
Catrina
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Side note....Julia would of passed away sometime between 1906 and 1911 as she was not in the 1911 census. She was born around 1869.
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You may have to try a few certs for possible births from the BMD Index to try to find a match that way. The area they are living is in the registration district on Dublin South - which might cut down the possibilities...
I presume this is the family in 1911 :
Smith household - Meath St (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Merchant_s_Quay/Meath_St_/69519/)
It's also worth searching the Dublin city parish records on www.irishgenealogy.ie
Shane
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I'm not seeing any good birth matches for the two younger girls, and too many for Patrick, but there are just a few for Henry....assuming they lived in the same area at the time of his birth..
Name: Henry Smith
Registration district: Dublin South
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1893
Volume: 2 / Page: 535
Name: Henry Dare Smith
Registration district: Dublin South
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1891
Volume: 2 / Page: 623
Name: Henry Lewis Smyth
Registration district: Dublin South
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1892
Volume: 2 / Page: 505
Due to the middle name and spelling, the second two can probably be put to one side for the moment - but the first one might be worth trying to see if the mother's name is Julia...
see : link (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ahenry%20%2Bsurname%3Asmith~%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22Dublin%20South%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1891-1894~&collection_id=1408347) (FamilySearch)
the BMD Index also includes a possible match for Julia's death :
see : Julia Smith, Jul/Sept 1908 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRFV-15Q)
Shane
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Thank you! I knew this was going to be hard. Question also....my g-parents lived in inchicore on Keogh square and got married in st michaels church. Is there anyway to get info from this information? Just want to make sure I'm doing everything I can.
Thanks!
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Just in case you have'nt seen this for St Michael's,there are
some photos of the interior of the church ,I was baptised in this church.
Keogh square was later called St Michaels estate.
Anne
http://www.oblateparishesindublin.ie/St_Michaels/history.htm
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It's beautiful!!! Thank you for the site!!
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So I know he was born around 1895. He died around 1959 in Dublin. His middle name was Augustin/Augustine. He married Kathleen (Kate, Catherine) Pelly in 1934 (I have the m/c but it only gives his fathers name which was also Patrick).
I am trying to locate his mother's maiden name
I've rung the Parish Office in various RC parishes and asked for a church marriage cert - you need to tell them that you only want it if it gives the mother's name.
eadaoin
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I have a copy from the GRO but it doesn't have the maiden name on it. Do you think the church would have different info? Since I have the date and names, it shouldn't be too difficult to look up, right?
Thank you!!!
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I think it's quite likely - any Dublin RC marriage records I've seen from late 1800s have both parents .. to mention but a few -
Malahide in 1870s
Fairview 1890s
Howth 1920s
I think there were new rules in 1860s(or so) in Dublin diocese .. and priests had to fill in each column in the Register
eadaoin
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Hi , with regard to St Michael's church in Inchicore there is a very good page on Facebook that is called I'm from Inchicore and proud of it and it has quite a few photos of the interior of St Michael's and Keogh Square area and Christian Brothers school perharps you could check there and see if anyone remembers the family.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/IMFROMINCHICOREANDPROUDOFIT/
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Thank you! I found a facebook page for Keogh square also but hadn't come across this one!!! Thank you!!
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My grandfather was Henry Smith of Meath Street,born 1890,he had a younger brother Patrick and four sisters.My great-grandfather was also Patrick and great-grandmother was Julia.So I think this is probably the same Smith family you are looking for. :)
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Wow! As you can see its been a while since I posted this! Thank you so much for the reply. Have you been able to find out any other information I don't have? Do you know Julia's maiden name? We were in Dublin in April of 2012 so I was able to get a little info from the records department. Was trying to do the research for my mom and found myself getting really into it:-). Any info you had would be wonderful!!!!
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I only came across this forum yesterday by accident,so glad I did.You said you were in Dublin in April,where are you resident?Its a pity I wasn't on this a year ago,I could have met up with you and given you copies of all the documentation I have collected :(. Our great-grandmother was Julia Harrison before she became Smith.It took me a while before I found her because she was mistakenly registered under Harris instead of Harrison.When my grandfather Henry was born the family were living in Newmarket Street Dublin 8,so maybe they hadn't moved to Meath Street when your grandfather was born.I have obtained quite a bit of information,births,deaths etc,but I have not certified details of my great-grandfathers birth yet,there was a lot of men called Patrick Smith in the 1860's.Your grandfather was definitely living in Crumlin at one stage because his name and address is on the great-grandfathers death certificate in 1949.It is such a pity that my father has passed away because I'm sure he could have told you somethings regarding your grandfather :-\
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If you would like , you can PM me to continue this off the forum as I would like as much info as you are willing to pass along :). My mom married a US citizen so she moved to the US. I was born in Ireland but we moved here when I was a baby. I am going to assume that you live in Ireland? It would of been wonderful if you had seen this before but I'm happy that you saw it at all!!! We may be making a trip to Ireland later this year but that has yet to be decided:-). Is there anyway you could e-mail any of documents? I would be willing to share any of my info but it seems as if you probably have much more than I do. I haven't done any research for a while so I'm a little rusty but now I will probably start with the research again. Thanks again and I'm so glad you found my post :)
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I only came across this forum yesterday by accident,so glad I did.You said you were in Dublin in April,where are you resident?Its a pity I wasn't on this a year ago,I could have met up with you and given you copies of all the documentation I have collected :(. Our great-grandmother was Julia Harrison before she became Smith.It took me a while before I found her because she was mistakenly registered under Harris instead of Harrison.When my grandfather Henry was born the family were living in Newmarket Street Dublin 8,so maybe they hadn't moved to Meath Street when your grandfather was born.I have obtained quite a bit of information,births,deaths etc,but I have not certified details of my great-grandfathers birth yet,there was a lot of men called Patrick Smith in the 1860's.Your grandfather was definitely living in Crumlin at one stage because his name and address is on the great-grandfathers death certificate in 1949.It is such a pity that my father has passed away because I'm sure he could have told you somethings regarding your grandfather :-\
Again , please feel free to PM me (You can just click on my username on the side and you should just be able to send me an e-mail). Also wanted to ask if you had any photos of your grandfather or your great grandfather? Would love to see photos if you have any (not sure if you are able to send via e-mail :) I talked to my mom today. She said she doesn't remember meeting your grandfather but she does remember her 2 of her aunts (your grandfathers sisters). My grandfather had a son named Henry also and he named 4 of his girls after his sisters. My mom said she never met my great grandfather but does remember a little about where he lived and what he did.
Once again, so glad you saw my post!!
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I think it's brilliant to find new relations,something we wouldn't have had the chance of only for the internet :D. Yes I do have a photo of my grandfather but not great-grandfather.I am not particularly skilled when it comes to scanning pictures and documents :o, so I will have to enroll the help of my son for that,but I will get them to you. So is Patrick junior your mom's father? I hope the next time you visit Dublin we can arrange to meet up,or next time I go to the US.I'm sure you've already gathered my name is Judith,what is your name and your mom's name? I will definitely e-mail you and keep in touch so we can keep the Smith family going ;)
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I think it's brilliant to find new relations,something we wouldn't have had the chance of only for the internet :D. Yes I do have a photo of my grandfather but not great-grandfather.I am not particularly skilled when it comes to scanning pictures and documents :o, so I will have to enroll the help of my son for that,but I will get them to you. So is Patrick junior your mom's father? I hope the next time you visit Dublin we can arrange to meet up,or next time I go to the US.I'm sure you've already gathered my name is Judith,what is your name and your mom's name? I will definitely e-mail you and keep in touch so we can keep the Smith family going ;)
Just letting you know that I pm'ed you. I didn't think my mom would like everyone knowing how old she is ;).