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Title: What relation?
Post by: ricoba on Tuesday 14 February 12 10:23 GMT (UK)
If my great great grandmother and her great great grandfather were brother and sister,
what relation would we be to each other?
Missing my chart....somewhere in the piles of files!
Thank you.
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: PrueM on Tuesday 14 February 12 10:35 GMT (UK)
How can the woman's great-great-grandfather be her own brother  ???
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: stanmapstone on Tuesday 14 February 12 10:38 GMT (UK)
Plenty of Charts here http://www.cyndislist.com/cousins/charts/

Stan
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: TomRees on Tuesday 14 February 12 11:07 GMT (UK)
copied from the London Literary Gazette:

    A proof that a man may be his own Grandfather.—There was a widow and her daughter-in-law, and a man and his son.

The widow married the son, and the daughter the old man; the widow was, therefore, mother to her husband's father, consequently grandmother to her own husband.

They had a son, to whom she was great-grandmother; now, as the son of a great-grandmother must be either a grandfather or great-uncle, this boy was therefore his own grandfather.

N. B. This was actually the case with a boy at a school in Norwich.


While not frequent, situations such as this do occur occasionally in life, the Bill Wyman/Mandy Smith affair (including his son and her mother) being one celebrity example.
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: ricoba on Tuesday 14 February 12 11:07 GMT (UK)
Hi ,I didn't make it clear,sorry. When I said and'' Her gggrandfather'' I was rude and meant the person I have just found,a new contact.
Thanks for your replies.
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: Ray T on Tuesday 14 February 12 11:23 GMT (UK)
If you would like to be a little more confused, you might like to spend a few minutes watching this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw

Enjoy!
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: LoneyBones on Tuesday 14 February 12 11:24 GMT (UK)
I think what you are saying is that your g-g-grandmother and your new contact's g-g-grandfather were brother & sister. Am I right?
In which case you are (I think) third cousins. (maybe fourth cousins) It's all very confusing really.  ???  ;D

Leonie.
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: LoneyBones on Tuesday 14 February 12 11:27 GMT (UK)
VERY confusing Ray T.  ;D
My son married my third cousin once removed.  ;D
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: ricoba on Tuesday 14 February 12 11:34 GMT (UK)
Hey,Great song.
Yes I am thinking we are 3rd cousins too..... by the chart,but then again...?
Thanks for your replies.
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: groom on Tuesday 14 February 12 12:50 GMT (UK)
By drawing a simple tree, I make it third cousins as well.
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: Cell on Wednesday 15 February 12 02:46 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I make it that you are fourth  cousins .

To work out the relationship between you and your friend, you go from the common ancestor which would be your  g, g grandmother's and her *brother's parents ( *your friend's g g grandfather) . The common/shared ancestor between you and your friend  isn't the GG brother and sister - it is their parents , you and your friend's   G G G Grandparents (3rd great grandparents) . You are the 3rd great grandchild of that couple and so is your friend - hence making you fourth cousins

If you shared the same
Grandparents - you'd be first cousins
Great grandparents - you'd be second cousins
Great Great Grandparents - you'd be third cousins
Great Great Great Grandparents  - you are fourth cousins
Hope that helps
Kind regards :)

http://stellar-one.com/genealogy/cousins.htm   
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: ricoba on Wednesday 15 February 12 07:39 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all replies and thanks Cell for making it very clear that we work it out by coming through their parents.So we are 4th cousins.
Cheers
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: TomRees on Wednesday 15 February 12 09:33 GMT (UK)
alternatively, just count the 'Gs' in your relationship to the Common Ancestor - any difference will be the number of times removed....
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: ricoba on Wednesday 15 February 12 11:33 GMT (UK)
Thanks everyone for helping me sort this out,easy when you think about it. :-[
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: Cell on Wednesday 15 February 12 13:12 GMT (UK)
alternatively, just count the 'Gs' in your relationship to the Common Ancestor - any difference will be the number of times removed....


Hi,

You're welcome Ricoba

Agree with the above  quote from TomRees , this is far the easier way to do it, it is the way I  do it in my head.


If you want confusing - Just for fun , I once worked out that my mother is my own cousin and my son is too, and even I am my own cousin to myself ;D-  I can't remember how many times each were removed to me ,  as it got  it all too weird for me  and I ended up totally confusing myself, which isn't hard to do ;D- ( my maternal grandparents were second cousins that married each other )

Kind regards :)
Title: Re: What relation?
Post by: ricoba on Thursday 16 February 12 01:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Cell,My husbands parents were cousins so I suppose he is is own cousin!!
I say(at times)that he can blame them for (all) his faults,having the best and worst from each side of his family.LOL
Thanks again 'tho I wouldn't want to work out your tree.
Cheers