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Title: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: suttontrust on Saturday 14 May 05 14:12 BST (UK)
A book was published a few years ago on lost pubs of Hull.  If anyone has a copy I would be grateful for a look-up of the Coomercial Tavern in Fish Street.
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: dennis dominator on Saturday 14 May 05 15:14 BST (UK)
hi suttontrust,

Sorry if this does not help but i can't find anything about the commercial tavern fish st, but could it be the commercial tavern number 1 Castle st built 1829 enquireing it's name in1862 had the Victorian green tiled frontage in 1895 a tetley house it was demolished to make way for the Myton gate regen in 1981.
hope that helps if it's the right one.

Regards
Dennis Dominator
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: dennis dominator on Saturday 14 May 05 15:20 BST (UK)
Hi again suttontrust,

The only other commercial tavern's in Hull i can find is one down Great union st and one down Cogan st both now as you know long gone,
The one down Castle st could be the one you are looking for as it is very near Fish st
Regards Dennis Dominator
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: suttontrust on Saturday 14 May 05 22:07 BST (UK)
Thanks for that.  I know from directories in 1817, 1823 and 1829 that it was the Commercial Tavern, no. 7 or no. 8 Fish Street, run by Thomas Douglas.  Very near to Castle Street, so perhaps it was the same one.
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: Bee on Sunday 15 May 05 00:02 BST (UK)
Hi suttontrust,

I have an 1853 map of Hull old town and it shows the Commercial Tavern on the corner of Fish Street and Mytongate.

White's directory for 1851 lists Commercial Tavern as 61 Mytongate run by John Batty.

The 1861 Post Office Directory for Hull lists Commercial Tavern as 8 Fish Street & 61 Mytongate run by Thomas Arton Massey.

and finally

1897 Kelly's Diectory has the Commercial at 1 Castle Street run by Abel Drewery.

I recently had a book from the library about old pubs in Hull but cann't remember if the Commercial was in it.

happy hunting

Bee
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: suttontrust on Sunday 15 May 05 00:13 BST (UK)
Thanks - would I be right in thinking that Castle St wasn't built until the late 19th century?  That would mean the Commercial changed its address but not its location.  By the way, Bee, where did you get the 1853 map?  I'd love one. 
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: Bee on Sunday 15 May 05 00:59 BST (UK)
Hi,
My 1853 map does not show Castle Street but  a map c1815 shows Castle street ending and Mytongate starting at the junction of Princes Dock Street.

My 1853 map is a reprint of an old ordnance survey map, I got mine from Browns Book shop on George Street, I think it cost about £2.

Bee
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: schwagre on Wednesday 29 June 11 11:12 BST (UK)
Whilst looking through some old family papers I found a copy of an Innkeeper's Licence for The Commercial Tavern for 1852.
My Great Grandfather ran the tavern for a number of years.
I would be pleased to send a copy to anyone if it is of any interest and the attached doesn't show well.

kind regards
Dave
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: schwagre on Wednesday 29 June 11 11:26 BST (UK)
Further to the photo I just posted.
In small writing (difficult to read on photo) it mentions that the tavern was
located in Garrison Side.
Maybe that is of interest.
Dave
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: hessle roader on Saturday 13 August 11 19:10 BST (UK)
is this it? this was in castle st
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: schwagre on Sunday 14 August 11 13:26 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for the photo.
I unfortunately don't have an address of the pub as it wasn't mentioned, but it castle street is
now and I assume then too in the market place are of the city and covered by Garrison Side.
So I think it must be the correct location.
thanks
Dave
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: hessle roader on Sunday 14 August 11 17:36 BST (UK)
There was actually two  commercial inns this one was Cogan street just before Castle st running between adelaide st and william st off hessle road
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: schwagre on Sunday 14 August 11 18:25 BST (UK)
That is very interesting to see that there were infact two pubs of the same name.
Only fact I have on the address is really that it was in Garrison Side, which I presume
was near to the river.
I will see if there are any other records in the family which pins it down any more.
I seem to remember there being other references to it in the census records.
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: Bee on Sunday 14 August 11 21:41 BST (UK)
To confuse matters even further, the 1851 Hull directory lists the following:

Commercial Hotel, John Clarke, 60 Wincolmlee

Commercial Inn, William Boyes, Great Union Street

Commercial Inn, Peter Blenkin, 57 Cogan Street

Commercial Tavern, John Batty, 61 Mytongate


Bee
 :)
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: schwagre on Monday 15 August 11 07:49 BST (UK)
Hi
Just to a closer look at the innkeeper's licence and
it shows the name as Commercial Tavern, so it must
be the one in Mytongate.
My gg-grandfather took it over in 1852 and in the
1861 he was down as a victualler too, although it
doesn't say where for that year.

Maybe there is a photo of the Mytongate - Commercial Tavern too.
Dave
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: Bee on Monday 15 August 11 10:12 BST (UK)
Hi
The 1861 directoty for Hull shows,

Commercial Inn, Mrs J Blenkin, 57 Cogan Street

Commercial Tavern, Thomas Arton Massey, 8 Fish Street & 61 Mytongate

Commecial Tavern, W Thorley, Great Union Street

Bee
 :)
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: schwagre on Monday 15 August 11 12:34 BST (UK)
Hi
I checked the 1861 Census and it shows his address indeed with the same street
namely Great Union Street and as you show W.Thorley is the proprietor.

So that confirms now that Great Union street is infact the correct address for the
Commercial Tavern.   
Wonder if that is shown as a photo too.

Dave
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: Bee on Tuesday 16 August 11 07:38 BST (UK)
Hi Dave

a photo and brief history

http://www.paul-gibson.com/history/lost-pubs-of-hull-C-to-E.php

Bee
 :)
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: schwagre on Tuesday 16 August 11 08:58 BST (UK)
Hi Bee

Thanks very much for the photo and history.  I am originally from Hull and remember often walking
down Clarence street and over Drypool Bridge, so must have past the location dozens of times in my
life, totally unaware that the pub where my gg grandfather worked was there.
Great photo and very interesting information.
Really appreciate all your help.
regards
Dave
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: tigtag on Tuesday 13 September 11 22:55 BST (UK)
Hi,

I hope its ok to jump in on this thread - on my G grandmothers birth certificate her father address is shown as:

"10 Steam Boat Tavern
Humber Street
Hull"

I was hoping that someone here could offer some further details of the pub/address.

Many thanks in advance
Jo
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: bessingby on Monday 19 September 11 23:31 BST (UK)
SUTTON TRUST
THE PIC HESSLE ROADER  AS SHOWN YOU IS THE ONE YOUR AFTER
IT WAS AT THE ENTRANCE TO PRINNY DOCK BE FORE THE ROAD WAS ALTERED
IT WAS OPP THE MARINA THEN MADE WAY FOR A CAR
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: bessingby on Tuesday 20 September 11 14:31 BST (UK)
any one know of a pub at the corner of a terrace down spyvee st  off cleveland st
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: fozzy10 on Saturday 09 November 13 09:00 GMT (UK)
I wonder if anyone has a photo of the Ferryboat tavern which used to be at 252 Wincolmlee now long gone but my mother was born there back in the 20s
Ian
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 09 November 13 16:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Ian...here you go:

http://www.paul-gibson.com/history/lost-pubs-of-hull-F-to-L.php

Carol
Title: Re: Old pubs of Hull
Post by: fozzy10 on Saturday 09 November 13 16:26 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Carol thats great
Ian