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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Rutland => England => Rutland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: DDRAIG on Monday 13 February 12 15:33 GMT (UK)
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Looking for the marriage of a William Stimpson and Ann Broughton
any help would be appreciated.
Draig
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Timescale??
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Between 1840 - 1846
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Are you sure about those dates
1841 census shows eldest child aged 6 so any marriage would be pre- civil registration
Also - Ann is shows as not born in county so they may possibly have married elsewhere (1851 shows Leics)
Did you get her maiden name from one of the childrens birth certs
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Hello,
thanks for your interest, yes I did get the information from childs birth certificate,
Thomas brn 1846/8 Whissendine Rutland, only child that I can find.
appreciate your time,
Regard John
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Thomas brn 1846/8 Whissendine Rutland, only child that I can find.
Where is he in 1851 I wonder - no entry and no death yet his age fits that of James?
Births September qtr 1846
Thomas Stimson Oakham 15 683
1841 for Oakham
William Stimson 34 baker
Ann 33
Elizabeth 6
Emma 4
Ann 2
William 10 Months
HO107 Piece 897/11 Folio 43 Page 29
1851 for Oakham
William Stimson 43 baker & letter carrier
Ann 42
Emma 14
Ann 12
William 10
Fanny F 6
James 4
Augustus Stimson 1
HO107 Piece 2092 Folio 288 Page 67
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There is this tree on Family Search which relates to their daughter Ann aged 2 in 1841
It shows her mothers maiden name as Pearson
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SPMH-1TP
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What is given as William's occupation on the certificate and in the census?
From a magazine cover disk containing Oakham Baptisms (1813-1837), a couple that may be of interest -
3 Apr 1836, Elizabeth Stimson, d/o William/Anne, abode Oakham, Occ Baker, notes aged 14 mths & 2 weeks
8 Jan 1837, Emma Stimson, d/o William/Anne, abode Oakham, Occ Baker
Nothing for Stimpson, and marriages only go up to 1812 so too early
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Occp Baker/Letter Carrier in 1851 Census, Baker 1841
Trees have him Marrying Ann PEARSON, 07 June 1832, All Saints, Leicester.
They have her dying 1883, Leeor, Victoria, Australia but no Parents for her. They do have an exact date of Birth 12 Aug 1810, Leicester, Leicestershire.
There are 2 Victorian Death Regs 1883 for a Ann Stimson;
The one quoted in Trees 15 June 1883, Death Place Leeor, Victoria, age 75, Spouse THOMAS, Rsidence Leeor, Death Reg Wellington, Sth Australia
And the second;
Reg 1883, Victoria, 5696, Age 75
Parents Hy Pearson and Elizabeth Phillips
Trish :)
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I think we are looking at 2 different Families here!
Thomas STIMPSON is in Wales in 1881, born c 1846, Whisentide, Rutland.
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Marriage on FreeBMD;
Ann BROUGHTON, Sept 1842, Uppingham, 15 797
1 male Spouse missing from page
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Thomas is easy to find 1871/1881 in Wales, 1871 under Stimson born c 1848, Rutland.
1861 Census he is not with possible Parents in Glamorgan, Wales;
William born c 1815, Whissendine, Ruttland
Ann born c 1815, no POB shown
RG9/4041/56/5
Trees have Ann born c 1812, Nth Luffenham, Rutland and the IGI confirms a Christening for Ann of that date.
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I think we are looking at 2 different Families here!
Thomas STIMPSON is in Wales in 1881, born c 1846, Whisentide, Rutland.
I agree, I can see registrations for the children shown in the census records incl James Q4 1846. There is also a Thomas in Q3 1846.
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Thanks davidrigg3,
Hopefully someone has access to the Marriage Record.
I've tried all my usual resources. I think I will leave this for tonight.
Trish :)
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Are you sure about those dates
1841 census shows eldest child aged 6 so any marriage would be pre- civil registration
Also - Ann is shows as not born in county so they may possibly have married elsewhere (1851 shows Leics)
Marriage on FreeBMD;
Ann BROUGHTON, Sept 1842, Uppingham, 15 797
1 male Spouse missing from page
There is no matching record for Stimpson/Stimson on the full GRO index
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May I thank Trish, Carole and David for their input to my enquiry it has been very much appreciated, and I am going to apply for marriage certificate for Ann Broughton September 1842 Uppingham to see what may arise.
Once agian many thanks for your help
Ddraig
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and I am going to apply for marriage certificate for Ann Broughton September 1842 Uppingham to see what may arise
I think you will be wasting £9.25 - have you not seen my reply above re: this marriage?
There is no matching record for Stimpson/Stimson on the full GRO index
When there is an uneven number of male/female names you can do a cross match against the full GRO index
So - looking for William Stimson or Stimpson in the same quarter and year as the Broughton marriage shows no entry with the same name or reference which means Ann married somebody else
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Thank you Carole, just a thought may be able to glean some other information
DDraig
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Hello All,
Just to keep the interest going, today i received the Marriage certificate for Ann Broughton September Quarter 1842 Uppingham volume 15 Page 797, Trish you were right £9-25 wasted Male showing as William Huish (Shepherd). applied as a matter of curiosity
So back to searching
Best wishes to all
Ddraig
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I should have said that Carole was right, SORRY
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So, going back to the beginning - you have the birth certificate for Thomas born in Whissendine, presumably the 1846 Q3 listing right?
On this it shows parents as Ann formerly Broughton and William Stimpson - definitely with a p?
What is given as the father's occupation on the certificate?
What lead you to decide to purchase that particular birth certificate?
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So, going back to the beginning - you have the birth certificate for Thomas born in Whissendine, presumably the 1846 Q3 listing right?
YES
On this it shows parents as Ann formerly Broughton and William Stimpson - definitely with a p?
COULD BE A P OR M
What is given as the father's occupation on the certificate?
LABOURER, MARRIAGE CERTFICATE OF THOMAS SHOWS STIMSON
FATHERS OCCUPATION FARM LABOURER
What lead you to decide to purchase that particular birth certificate?
BY FOLLOWING LEADS FROM MY GRANDFATHER
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i am also looking for a marriage between william stimson and ann broughton, my great grandfather was thomas stimson born whissendine 1848.
on thomas's marriage certificate his father is named as william stimson, farm labourer but on thomas's birth certificate the father is named as thomas, labourer.
does anyone know if both christian names refer to the same person?
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
my great grandfather was thomas stimson born whissendine 1848.
Thomas was born in 1846 and DDRAIG has that birth cert
Births September qtr 1846
Thomas Stimson Oakham 15 683
As shown in my first reply - their first child was 6yrs old in 1841 so any marriage should be pre-1837 and you are therefore dependant on finding an entry in a parish record either in Rutland or Leics
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my apologies carole, silly typing error, thomas stimson was born 1846, i have copy of certificate and father is named as thomas on it but named as william on marriage certificate so is it possible that they are two different people?
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so is it possible that they are two different people?
Re: the marriage cert you have for Thomas b 1846 - father shown as William. Was William a Baker by occupation
If so - then that matches the 1841 and 1851 census details I posted on page 1. However - that William didn't have a son called Thomas in 1851
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On Thomas's marriage certificate his father is William Stimson, Farm Labourer.
I have always thought the 1851 census you mention may be the wrong family as William's occupation differs and there is no sign of a Thomas.
But on the other hand, the parents names and area do match up, very confusing.
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On Thomas's marriage certificate his father is William Stimson, Farm Labourer.
I have always thought the 1851 census you mention may be the wrong family as William's occupation differs and there is no sign of a Thomas.
But on the other hand, the parents names and area do match up, very confusing.
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Is the marriage certificate of Thomas and catherine ward in Cardiff in 1868. If so I would be grateful for their addresses and the names of the witnesses.
Many thanks
Rod
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On Thomas's marriage certificate his father is William Stimson, Farm Labourer.
I have always thought the 1851 census you mention may be the wrong family as William's occupation differs and there is no sign of a Thomas.
But on the other hand, the parents names and area do match up, very confusing.
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Is the marriage certificate of Thomas and catherine ward in Cardiff in 1868. If so I would be grateful for their addresses and the names of the witnesses.
Many thanks
On Thomas's marriage certificate his father is William Stimson, Farm Labourer.
I have always thought the 1851 census you mention may be the wrong family as William's occupation differs and there is no sign of a Thomas.
But on the other hand, the parents names and area do match up, very confusing.
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Is the marriage certificate of Thomas and catherine ward in Cardiff in 1868. If so I would be grateful for their addresses and the names of the witnesses.
Many thanks
Rod
Before I impart this information can I ask if you are a relation if so from what Line
Rod
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I have all the details before I inprt the information can you tell what are your connections and if of the family which line are you.
John
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Dear John
I am helping the granddaughter of Benajmin Stimpson (b1882 in Cardiff) trace his father who we believe was Thomas Stimpson (b1846 in Rutland). Her father was Emil Leo Stimpson (b1907 in Cardiff).
Best wishes
Rodney