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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: meug J70 on Sunday 12 February 12 16:31 GMT (UK)
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I have on paper that there was a MEUGENS family in Australia, and that im chatting to a Kellie Meugens there as well, im trying to find the link between Kellie(she took her grandmothers name), and the missing links to the last(as far as i know), MEUGENS descendant, the last one died in 1970, but any help will be welcomed,John
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Hi John. If you could be a little more specific as to who you are looking for approximatly when and where, we may be able to help.
There are no Births, Marriages or deaths mentioned in NSW re any Meugens family, however there are quite a few mentions with persons of that surname in TROVE newspaper archives. Most of these are in Western Australia in the 1920-30's and relate to a Theo Meugens who operated in a musical theatre around the state.
There are similar mentions of the name in Victoria.
Neil
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Australia death index 1787-1985
Theodore Henry Meugens age 74
Western Australia
Father, John H
Mother, Sophia M
registration place Perth, Western Australia
Reg number 2256/70
Theodore Henry appears on the electoral rolls as a civil servant. He is with his wife Annie Phillis.
Mengens may be a spelling variant to look out for.
John H Meugens
Death Western Australia 1938
Registration Perth Western Australia
Reg number 1246
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Hi,
There is a John Meugens in the 1892 Sands Melbourne Directory at 21 Barkly st N.F.
The 1914 WA Post Office Directory has a Miss L. M. Meugens, mus tchr, 60 view St, N. Perth.
Regards
Gerry
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First mention of the MEUGENS name in Victoria in the BMD indexes is in 1857 when a Louisa Maria MEUGENS was born in 1857 at MARYBOROUGH to a Theodor MEUGENS and a Harriott KNOX.
Ref = 3852
This couple had a son 2 years later, John Henry MEUGENS born in 1859 at MCCULLUMS.
Ref = 16419
However, I’ve found the marriage of Theodor and Harriott under the name MENGINS when they married in 1854.
Ref = 1726
Then the children and Theodor appears to have married under the name MENGINS/MENGENS/MINGINS..... so I’m not sure which is the transcription error.
As Neil has mentioned, we really need more information before we can help.
Dee :)
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Theodore Henry Meugens, 21, born in Melbourne, enlisted at Laverton WA, 1st AIF on 27th August 1916.
Nest of Kin, John Henry Meugens, Ida. H. Mine, Laverton WA.
Gerry
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Theodore Henry Meugens 2 x WW1 medals were sent to 60 View St North Perth, the same address as Miss L. M. Meugens's address in 1914.
Gerry
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I have a feeling they may be from the same family so I'll post the MENGENS variations I found.
Deaths of Theodor and Harriet from Victoria....
Harriet MENGENS aged 61 died in ITTONHOS in 1884
Father = Jhn Knox & Mother = Harriet LLOYD
Ref = 9385
Theod MENGENS aged 64 died in N FITZ in 1885.
Father = MENGENS & Mother = Agnes BUNGAS
Ref = 11952
Dee :)
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Marriages of the two children, one of which seems to tie in with the death that Crisane found in W A......
Louise Marie MENGENS married Henri GUNTHER in 1875 in Victoria.
Ref = 2761
John Henry MENGENS born CRAGIE married Sophia Mary LAWRANCE in 1888 in Victoria.
Ref = 6566
Dee :)
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Victorian Government Gazette,
Office of Titles, Melbourne, 25th October 1864.
TITLE DEEDS
Name: Mengens Theordore.
Locality: Craigie.
Area granted: 1R. 2P.
Gerry
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I have several other MINGENs/MENGENS names from Victoria, but at this stage I can't connect them so will just save them till John gets back to the thread.
Dee :)
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Births to John Henry and Sophia in Victoria....
Louise Marie MENGENS born at FITZROY NORTH in 1892
Father: Jno Hy MENGENS & Mother = Sophia Mary LAWRENCE
Ref = 13248
Theodore Hy MENGENS born at NORTHCOTE in 1896
Father = Jno Hy MENGENS & Mother = Sophia LAWRANCE
Ref = 13949
There's definitely been a move to Western Australia at some stage.
Dee :)
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Sophia May MENGENS aged 36 died at Fitz N in 1899.
Father = Laurence Jas Mengens (? I think this is a mistake somewhere along the line)
Mother was unknown.
Ref = 1589
There is an online Will for Sophia on the Public Record Office Victoria website.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/
Dee :)
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4 Meugens marriages in Western Australia here.....
http://www.wamarriage.info/
John H Meugens married Elizabeth Reid in Perth in 1912
Ref =230
Rosalie C Meugens married Otto A Schroeder in Perth in 1912
Ref = 816
Louise M Meugens married Frank N Tate in Perth in 1915
Ref = 253
Theodore H Meugens married Annie P Rewell in Northam in 1923
Ref = 29
Dee :)
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1902 WA PO Directory
Mengens Jno, Woolgar.
1903 Electoral Roll
Western Australia, Coolgardie, Laverton.
Mengens John, Ida. H. G.M, miner.
(Ida H. G. Mine)
Gerry
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A bereavement Card notice placed by a John Meugens of Rae St North Fitzroy in Feb 1899. If it is probably the same John Mengens whom is in WA in 1902.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/9510775?searchTerm=
Gerry
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3 MEUGENS burials in Western Australia….
Annie Phillis MEUGENS aged 88 in 1985
John Henry MEUGENS aged 79 in 1938
Theodor Henry MEUGENS aged 74 in 1970
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php
Hopefully John will find the link among the information being gathered that will lead him to a link.
Dee :)
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I've found the birth of Rosalie C MEUGENS who married in W A in 1912....in Victoria. Name transcribed as NEUGENS.
Rosalie Charlotte NEUGENS born in FITZROY NORTH in 1889
Father = John Henry & Mother = Sophia Mary LAWRANCE
Ref = 12173
Searching for mistranscriptions I've just come across the surname MUGGINS!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Dee :)
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Blimey, thankyou to you all for such help and research, it would seem that i have a lot of work to do, from the links you have all sent, and that the other members of my family will be pleased that what has been found, as we are all in the dark when it comes to Australia, i have so much catching up to do, and will start at the weekend, sorting it out, once again, many thanks to you all, John
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You're welcome, John, and once you've sorted through what's been found, please ask if you have any queries. You never know, we may be able to scavenge a bit more.
Dee :)
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i will and thankyou again, ihave learnt from the past to supply as much info as poss to make this work, so i will sort out what has been found, and come back as soon as i have any questions, thankyou so much.......John
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Hi all, i have links of Rosalie Charlotte(1889-1916) married Otto Alwyn Schroeder, having a child Rosalie Marie,
Louise Marie(1892-1926) married Frank Norman Tate, and Theodore Henry(1896-1970) married Anne Phillis Rewell, but nothing after thet, could it be that the child Rosalie Marie, has more info than i cant find, and that the records are hiding somewhere, any clues as too where to look for the missing links, as i have said in the past, Kellie took her Grandmas surname, as she is not a direct descendant, whereas her grandma is, could the Grandma be Rosalie??????
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I've PMed you a marriage for Rosalie Marie, John....can't post it on here as there is a possibility one of the partners is living, and I haven't found a death.
Dee :)
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WOW, thankyou, that will help a lot, i will pass it on to the person in my family who can sort the tree quicker than i can sort it, then place it in its true place, and work it from there, i know its gonna get difficult from that point as it may include living persons as well, so i will have to tread carefully, thanks again, John