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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: Bettyanne on Saturday 11 February 12 11:12 GMT (UK)
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Hi can anyone tell me how to find information on a John Hall with the 39th Regiment (Dorsetshire) in Bermuda in about 1861. Thanks
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Hi Bettyanne
You might try the Keep Museum in Dorchester, Dorset for information on the 39th. An internet search of the 39th Regiment of Foot gave me the regiment's whereabouts on various dates, including the Crimea, Quebec and Bermuda.
My great great grandfather, Thomas Wright, was a Colour Sergeant in the 39th, and was married to Mary Jane Hall, who I think was John Hall's brother. I have a copy of my great grandfather's birth certificate - he was born in Quebec - and Drum Major John Hall is named as a sponsor. Mary Jane, and I think John, were born in Sydney, Australia.
The UK census for 1871 shows 2 Hall children - James and William - living in Oxford with my great great grandmother, their aunt Mary Jane (by then widowed), 2 of her children and her mother. and the 1881 census shows Mary Jane with her daughter and a niece, Annie Hall also living in Oxford at a new address.
I hope this is helpful
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Hi Bettyanne
My wife's family lived and worked out in Bermuda from 1850-1900 so i have a few bits from there and i found a John Hall who might fit, he was a drum-major in The 39th Reg, and he had a wife called Ellen, he also had two children, James Hall baptised on The 9th June 1861, and Annie Hall baptised on 19th July 1863, both at St Georges Bermuda, hope this is of some help, and it is your relatives.
Regards, Ronniebear.
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Thank you so much for the information. They are relatives and I have been trying to find out anything about Ellen Hall (nee Hare) or John Hall but have come to a full stop. If you have any more info I would be very grateful. Thanks again.
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Hi Cliver
Could you tell me more about Mary Jane Hall. My ancester John Hall was in the Army and I think in Australia, originally from Ireland. I am unsure how he would have a sister with him in Austrailia. Can you help. Many thanks.
Hi Bettyanne
You might try the Keep Museum in Dorchester, Dorset for information on the 39th. An internet search of the 39th Regiment of Foot gave me the regiment's whereabouts on various dates, including the Crimea, Quebec and Bermuda.
My great great grandfather, Thomas Wright, was a Colour Sergeant in the 39th, and was married to Mary Jane Hall, who I think was John Hall's brother. I have a copy of my great grandfather's birth certificate - he was born in Quebec - and Drum Major John Hall is named as a sponsor. Mary Jane, and I think John, were born in Sydney, Australia.
The UK census for 1871 shows 2 Hall children - James and William - living in Oxford with my great great grandmother, their aunt Mary Jane (by then widowed), 2 of her children and her mother. and the 1881 census shows Mary Jane with her daughter and a niece, Annie Hall also living in Oxford at a new address.
I hope this is helpful
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Hi Bettyanne
Mary Jane Hall was married to my great great grandfather, Thomas Wright, I guess sometime in the early to mid 1850s - I have no record of the marriage, but they had four children, including my great grandfather, William Wright, born in Quebec in 1859, and a sister born in Bermuda in 1861, both when the 39th Foot was posted to those places. In the 1871 UK census Mary Jane is shown as widowed and living with nephews James and William Hall, children I think of John Hall, the 39th Drum Major. They are also living with Mary Jane's mother, Elizabeth Murphy, born in Castlebar, Ireland.
Looking at the Australian birth index I found a Mary Jane Hall, born to James Hall and Elizabeth ? in 1831 (my Mary Jane's birth year and birth place) and entries for John H Hall born in 1830 and a Sarah J Hall born in 1836 - all born in New South Wales and registered in Sydney.
Not all of this is conclusive, but I think that my Mary Jane and your John Hall were born in Australia of an Irish mother, Elizabeth, and I guess that as John Hall and Thomas Wright were in the 39th, my g g grandfather met his wife, Mary Jane, through her brother. I don't yet know anything about James Hall, or how Elizabeth came to be in Australia with James Hall. I also don't know the significance of Elizabeth's surname Murphy in the 1871 census - perhaps she married again, or perhaps it was her maiden name.
Rather a lot of guesswork, I'm afraid, but I hope some of this strikes a chord. I'd be grateful if you would let me know if you have anything to add
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Hello - new to this site - but interested in a Pte Daniel Keary who served with the 39th Foot in Bermuda - there doesn't appear to be any information on Ancestry or FindMyPast- any advice appreciated -
best wishes Bob
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hi,,,what info do you have? when and where born? marriage? children?
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Hiya - only this from FindMyPast - which matches a Victorian Long service medal I thought I would try to research .
First Name(s):Daniel Last Name:Keary Number:4293 Rank:Private Unit:39th Foot (Dorsetshire)Regiment Stationed at:Bermuda
From the 1861 Army Index ---- many thanks Bob
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Look in the service records on FindMyPast for
Name:Daniel KEAREY
Year of birth:1836
Place of birth:Caherciveen, Kerry
Regiment:39th Foot
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Hello - superb !! many thanks - ;D Should have tried different spelling first :-[ Bob
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Hi Bettyanne and Cliver
My great grandfather, John Hall, was born in 1859 in Quebec. His birth certificate states he is son of John Hall, drum major in the 39th, and Ellen nee Hare. Sponsors are are Thomas and Mary Jane Wright plus Corporal Thomas Joseph Brown also from the 39th.
I also have a copy birth certificate of his father, John Hall born in 1827, also in Quebec. His parents were John Hall, Messenger to the Royal Engineer Office, and Elizabeth (no maiden name given).
I have confirmed that my great grandfather’s regimental number was 1861 and have been told by my mother that he attended the Royal Hibernian Military School in Dublin and had two brothers and one sister. I am guessing from previous posts that these are James, William and Annie. My mother’s notes also state that Elizabeth dies in Oxford aged 94.
I plan to visit the National Archives in London and wonder whether you have any further information which may help me in my research there.
I am happy to share anything further I discover.
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Hi Dianehelen
I found your information very interesting. Unfortunately I do not have much more to add, I started researching my family a couple of years ago but for various reasons had to stop and have not yet been able to get back to it. I received an interesting thread about women convicts to Australia and a reply stated that a Ellen Hare was transported to Australia for 7 years from Ireland for stealing a handkerchief, she was sent on a ship called the Whitby You may well have this thread too. It also stated she was given permission to marry a James Mill, so the dates and husband do not fit, but maybe some connection somewhere.
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Hi Bettyanne, thank you for your prompt reply. I am sorry that you are currently unable to continue with your research. I have visited the National Archives and have a little more information. I found confirmation that my great grandfather had attended the Hibernian Military School in Dublin. He joined aged 10, in 1869. The school was for children of military personnel either orphaned or with parents serving overseas. I could not find service records for his father, John Hall, born in Quebec in 1827 so started looking at muster records and payrolls. I confirmed that he was a sergeant and member of the band with the 39th foot in 1851, stationed in Newry, Ireland. Also in Bermuda in 1861 where he was promoted from sergeant to drum major on the 12/11/1861. Unfortunately I ran out of time but intend to return to check further payrolls to establish his movements with the 39th. I will update you regarding anything I can confirm.