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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: benicio on Wednesday 08 February 12 18:30 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I have traced my family lineage back to the Thwaite family of Elland. An interesting find within the family is a man named James Thwaite (3rd Gret Grand Uncle). In the 1871 England Census, James is listed as "Inn Keeper" with an address of Mount Pleasant. Immediatly under the address, it states "Fleece Inn".
I have found some interesting materials online about the Inn and it seems to have a colorful history. One of the most helpful items can be found here:
http://www.gehs.org.uk/Local%20Stories/fleece_inn.htm
I was wondering if there are any histories/publications of the inn or if anyone has any information on James Thwaite during his tenure as Inn Keeper.
Thanks~
Ben
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I might be wrong but I think that Mount Pleasant is actually in Greetland.
The fleece Inn ( the Golden Fleece) is next door to the house I lived in called `Mount Pleasant` Rochdale road. Greetland
The Golden Fleece Inn at Greetland has recently closed and I believe is now offices.
http:/en.wikepedia.org/wki/Greetland
Good Luck
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Hullo Ben :)
The Loical Studies library nearest there should be able to direct you tohistories etc of the inn. They may also have info on james Thwaite.
charlotte
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Hi Ben,
The James Thwaite you talk about is my 2nd great grandfather and yes he was innkeeper at the Fleece Inn. he lived there with his whole family - wife Hannah, sons Ely, Ernest (my great grandfather), Ben & John and daughters Sabine, Alice and Mary. I don't think it was for long though. I've been doing some research into my ancestral line and have gone back as far as James and then up to present following that line. Yet to look into his siblings and parents and back further. But James was the son of Eli, who was the son of James, who was the son of Richard who was the son of John Thwaite -b 1695. That's as far back as I've got.
So we must be related somehow - not sure how?! I guess you are descendent from one of James siblings...
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Todmorden Advertiser and Hebden Bridge Newsletter, 30 Aug 1878
"Mr Rhodes applied that the licence of the Old Fleece Inn, Elland, should be transferred to Mr Thwaite of the Fleece Inn, Greetland, who is now in possession; and Mr Storey applied that it should be transferred, for the benefit of creditors, to the receiver in the affairs of the late tenant, William Crossland. The Bench adjourned the matter to the 14th September, hoping that an amicable arrangement could be made in the meanwhile".
The Bradford Daily Telegraph, 30 Sep 1878, reported that Mr Thwaite, who was already in possession, was successful in his application.
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Malcom Bull's Calderdale Companion has some snippets of information http://www.calderdalecompanion.co.uk/t.html#t1393
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It was on Most Haunted in a while back... here's a link if you want to have a nosey ;) https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x69wym8
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Amongst your Thwaite family of Elland do you happen to have Martha Thwaite b. 1791, m. 14.11.1821 to Jonathan Briggs delver/quarryman? Lower Edge Elland.
I feel sure it will be the same family but I know nothing of Martha until she married Briggs.
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FindMyPast has the baptism (image & transcription) of -
Martha, born 7 Feb 1798, bap 18 Mar 1798, daughter of Solomon and Mary Thwaite, Ell'd, baptismal place Elland, St. Mary.
I checked the 1821 marriage register in case the witness names might add some detail. However, the 2 witness names appear on other register entries - no apparent link to the happy couple.
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FindMyPast baptisms - siblings?
Sally, bap 1 Apr 1789, father Solomon Thwaite, mother not named, baptismal place Chapelry of Elland, St. Mary
Isaac, bap 22 Jun 1792, father Solomon Thwaite, mother not named, baptismal place Chapelry of Elland St Mary
William, bap 11 Jan 1795, father Solomon Thwaite, mother not named, Elland St.Mary
Henry, born 15 Mar 1801, bap 26 Apr 1801, parents Solomon and Mally** Thwaite, Elland St Mary
** transcribed as Matty and checking original looks like Mally ("t" not crossed). There's a "Mary" in the entry above Henry's, clearly written as Mary. Martha's baptismal entry is clearly Mary. Sally, Isaac and William are transcriptions only - image not available.
Also need to check some Thwaite baptisms to a Solomon in "nearby" Highburton.
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Thanks, hanes, This gets me a bit further back with the Thwaites.
In 1851, Martha Briggs ( Thwaites) is at Lower Edge Elland. Her neighbour is David Thwaite age 38. Maybe a relative?
Just to take advantage of rootschatters' research skills, could I run a continuing mystery past you?
Martha's son Jonathan Briggs ( my direct ancestor) goes missing in 1851 census. He is at Lower Edge in 1841 and at Hade Edge, Holmfirth in 1861 but I cannot find him in 1851. Born 1836, m. 1863 ( and then 2 more wives). Died 1891.
Any pointers gratefully received.
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The exact location of Mount Pleasant and the Fleece Inn in the late 1800s in Greetland has been a puzzle for me for quite a while. I could not find it on the OS 6-inch map of 1888-1913. However, the more detailed 1:2500 OS plans of 1893 and 1907 in fact do show Mount Pleasant, a collection of terraces and cottages on the south side of Rochdale Road, east of St Thomas’s church, between what is now Haigh Street and Cross Hills Methodist Church. “Greetland Edge” is clearly marked to the north of Rochdale Road, and “Mount Pleasant” to the south. “Fleece Inn” is also marked, but on the north side of Rochdale Road (in the position of the first house on the left in Springfields View, 193 Rochdale Rd, HX4 8EN). In the 1861 census for Greetland, the Fleece Inn seems to be run by George and Martha Taylor. However, White’s Directory for Halifax in 1866 and 1870 records a Thomas Parr running “The Fleece” or “Golden Fleece”, so I assume there were two inns of a similar name in the district. The one in question is clearly differentiated as Fleece Inn, Mount Pleasant. There are two versions of the 1871 census, both recording James and Hannah Thwaite, with their 7 children (John, Eli, Ben, Alice, Mary Hannah, Jessica and Ernest). In the second version Jessica is recorded as Celina (and in the 1891 census she appears curiously as Sabrina). So, Jessica aka Celina aka Sabrina? In 1881 Fleece Inn is being run by John and Margaret Radcliffe. I have not found Fleece Inn in the 1891 census, but the Thwaite family (James, Hannah, John, Ben, Ernest, Mary and Sabrina) are still living in the village, at Cross Hill.
My particular interest in this area has been to locate William and Mary Shaw, who ran a successful grocery business at Mount Pleasant for at least 30 years (1840-1870). They were, like most of the village I imagine, committed Methodists; Methodism was well established in the village with Wesleyan, Primitive and Connexion Methodist chapels, and also Independents and Unitarians. The 1871 census records 22 households in the properties comprising “Mount Pleasant”. Occupants included farmers, a nail-maker, clog maker, milliner, the innkeeper (James Thwaite), labourers, a weaver, coal merchant, stonemason, spinner and a schoolmaster. The list of properties making up Mount Pleasant included the Chapel House, the Fleece Inn and (in 1881) “Shaw’s Buildings”. I would be interested to hear from any Rootschat members who might have any information on the Shaw family.