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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: moonglow1970 on Wednesday 08 February 12 00:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am totally stuck with my family tree. I can't seem to find out any more info to continue any further back in time. There are two sides of my tree where I am stuck at. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
1st: Samuel Livesley Phillips
Birth 20 MAY 1808 in Southwark, London, England, United Kingdom
Death22 NOV 1860 in Hindmarsh, South Australia, Australia
2nd: Norman Sinclair
Birth Abt 1899
Married to Ivy Linda Juers
Birth1902 in Nhill, Victoria
Thanks
Claire
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat.
According to Familysearch.org....
Baptism Record
Southwark London
Samuel Livesley PHILLIPS baptised 8th Dec 1808
Father = Thomas PHILLIPS
Mother = Mary
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi Karenlee.
Thanks for the welcome and the info.
Cheers
Claire
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Welcome to RootsChat Claire,
There is a public tree on Ancestry that has Samuel Livesley Phillips mother as Mary Anderson born 1783
Cheers, Ted
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Hi,
I am totally stuck with my family tree. I can't seem to find out any more info to continue any further back in time. There are two sides of my tree where I am stuck at. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
1st: Samuel Livesley Phillips
Birth 20 MAY 1808 in Southwark, London, England, United Kingdom
Death22 NOV 1860 in Hindmarsh, South Australia, Australia
2nd: Norman Sinclair
Birth Abt 1899
Married to Ivy Linda Juers
Birth1902 in Nhill, Victoria
Thanks
Claire
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http://books.google.com.au/books?id=mBFOAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA10-IA39&lpg=PA10-IA39&dq=samuel+livesley+phillips&source=bl&ots=rDtXyxz60C&sig=eJMpMoqMyLuLAPnvW7Ym2005Htc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=98UxT6PXCImRiQeOkantBA&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=samuel%20livesley%20phillips&f=false
There is also this in the SA Government Gazette
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Thanks Ted for the welcome and info. I will look into it. I think the tree on ancestry is mine. I just can't seem to get any further than I have so far. :-\
Cheers
Claire
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Births in Victoria
SINCLAIR Norman
Father James Mother's name Jane AUGUSTINUS
At Brighton 1899 Reg#16261
JUERS Ivy Linda
Father John Gotthard Mother Mary PROMNITZ
At Nhill 1902 Reg#20636
Marriages
SINCLAIR James born Chiltern
AUGUSTINUS Jane born Blackwood
1896 Reg#2959
SINCLAIR Norman 21 years Single Father James SINCLAIR
JUERS Ivy Linda 18 years Single Father John JUERS
2 Mar 1921
At St Pauls Church Adelaide Ade S 286/604
JUERS John Gottfried born South Australia
SHUBERT Marion Dorothea born South Australia
1901 Reg#1570
Former marriage for Ivy's mother
SCHUBERT Johann Christian 29 years Single Father Johann Christian SCHUBERT
PROMNITZ Maria Dorothea 21 years Single FAther Johann August PROMNITZ
6 Jun 1885-06-05
At the Registry Office Woodside Nai 143/1157
Am pushed for time today. I will get back to this if someone else doesn't follow on with info.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi moonglow1970,
You will find Samuel Livesley PHILLIPS' baptism on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/
Debra :)
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Maria Dorothea PROMNITZ was born on 8 July 1864 in Mt Torrens South Australia.
Mother Anna Maswick Father August Promnitz
page# 314 vol# 32
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There are 2 threads. We might be doubling up on finding records.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,580470.0/topicseen.html
Thanks Kris for merging these two topics.
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Maria's parent's marriage
August Promnitz to Anna Masnik on 24 April 1860 in Lobethal, Nairne SA
August's Father Gottlob Promnitz Anna's Father Martin Masnik
page # 304 Vol # 42
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Claire if you Google Gottlob Promnitz there is a tree that gives quite a bit of information and suggests that the PROMNITZ family came from Prussia.
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Cheers Ted :)
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Hi,
Early settler at Port Adelaide.
The marriage of Samuel Livesley Phillips & Mary Ann Harding.
15th September 1840, Trinity Church, Adelaide.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27441865?searchTerm=
Regards
Gerry
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Jane AUGUSTINUS there are 2 births with the same name and I death
1st birth Jane AUGUSTINUS b 1873 Blackwood Father John, mother Jane FULWOOD # 22225
the Death 1875 Jane AUGUSTINUS aged 1
2nd birth Jane AUGUSTINUS b 1875 Blackwood, father John, mother Jane FULLWOOD #14192
Joham Augustinus to Jane Fullard, Victoria 1864, Reg# 3724
I'm not far from Blackwood. Used to go hiking and trail riding there all the time.
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Johan Austinus is buried at Blackwood Cemetery. I don't have a date though. Just looked at this index.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Blackwood.htm
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From BISA....
PHILLIPS Samuel Livesley
Parents Thos and Mary nee ANDERSON born 20 May1808 Southwark LND ENG
Died 22 Nov 1860 Hindmarsh SA
Arrived 1839 from NSW
Occupation Agent
Lived Pt Adelaide, Hindmarsh, Woodville, Glenelg
Religion Church of England
Married 15 Sep 1840 Adelaide SA Mary Ann nee HARDING Parents James
Born 8 Jan 1816 Woolwich KEN ENG
Died 7 Feb 1908 Nth Adelaide SA
Children
Thomas Dickinson 1841-1903
Jame sFabian 1842-1902
Amelia 1844-1888
Henry Bion 1846-1972
Mary Louisa BALBURNIE-VANS 1849-
Edward George 1851-1933
Cando
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PROMNITZ J Carl Augt
Parents -Gottlob born 17 Feb1831 Schegeln, Brandenburg, Prussia
Died 11 Mar 1899 Buried Blumberg SA
Arrived 1857 PETER GODEFFROY
Occupation Farmer Lived Mt Torrens, Lobethal, Charleston and others
Religion Luth
Married 1/2 24 Apr 1860 Lobethal SA Anna nee MASNIK Parents Martin
Born 6 Mar 1837 Brabow, Prussia Died 16 Feb 1884
Arrived 1858 Victoria
Children
Maria Louise Pauline PITMAN 1860-1924
J Fried 1861-1891
Maria Dorothea SCHUBERT/JUERS 1864-1951
J. Carl Au 1868-1931
Frie Whm 1872-
Married 2/2 18 Sep 1884 Blumberg SA Louise Marie nee KASCHWIG Parent Gottlieb J.
Born 1861 Springton SA Died 18 May 1907
Children
Antonie Bertha 1885-1885
J. Carl 1887-1964
Adolph Heinrich 1889-
J. Oscar 1891-
Jessie?
Cando
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The only Johan Augustinus death I can find in Victoria is this one
Johan AUGUSTINUS father Andrious Christian mother unknown 1896 reg# 4493
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You will find this website interesting I am sure
http://www.netspeed.com.au/dryandra1/pvmiles%20html/fam/fam03375.html
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Janes death
Jane Augustinus
Ascot Vale, Victoria, age 76. Father Peter Fullwood, Mother Ann Davis 1918 reg # 79
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Could this be Janes arrival into Australia
Jane Fullwood, age 19 arrived 8 june 1863 into Melbourne from Liverpool on the "Bates Family" nationality English.
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Now for Norman Sinclair's father's side of the family.
I think this is James Sinclairs birth in Chiltern, Victoria. (another goldmining town).
James SINCLAIR 1871 Father: James Mother: Mary Davidson Reg# 9666
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James and Mary's marriage
James Sinclair to Mary Scott Davidson 1863 Victoria reg# 642
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From BISA....
PHILLIPS Samuel Livesley
Parents Thos and Mary nee ANDERSON born 20 May1808 Southwark LND ENG
Died 22 Nov 1860 Hindmarsh SA
Arrived 1839 from NSW
Occupation Agent
Lived Pt Adelaide, Hindmarsh, Woodville, Glenelg
Religion Church of England
Married 15 Sep 1840 Adelaide SA Mary Ann nee HARDING Parents James
Born 8 Jan 1816 Woolwich KEN ENG
Died 7 Feb 1908 Nth Adelaide SA
Children
Thomas Dickinson 1841-1903
Jame sFabian 1842-1902
Amelia 1844-1888
Henry Bion 1846-1972
Mary Louisa BALBURNIE-VANS 1849-
Edward George 1851-1933
Cando
This was very useful information thanks Cando. :)
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PROMNITZ J Carl Augt
Parents -Gottlob born 17 Feb1831 Schegeln, Brandenburg, Prussia
Died 11 Mar 1899 Buried Blumberg SA
Arrived 1857 PETER GODEFFROY
Occupation Farmer Lived Mt Torrens, Lobethal, Charleston and others
Religion Luth
Married 1/2 24 Apr 1860 Lobethal SA Anna nee MASNIK Parents Martin
Born 6 Mar 1837 Brabow, Prussia Died 16 Feb 1884
Arrived 1858 Victoria
Children
Maria Louise Pauline PITMAN 1860-1924
J Fried 1861-1891
Maria Dorothea SCHUBERT/JUERS 1864-1951
J. Carl Au 1868-1931
Frie Whm 1872-
Married 2/2 18 Sep 1884 Blumberg SA Louise Marie nee KASCHWIG Parent Gottlieb J.
Born 1861 Springton SA Died 18 May 1907
Children
Antonie Bertha 1885-1885
J. Carl 1887-1964
Adolph Heinrich 1889-
J. Oscar 1891-
Jessie?
Cando
This helped to fill in quite a few blanks. Thanks Cando
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Moonglow,
Interesting from Cando's post to see that Samuel Livesley Phillips arrived in SA from NSW in the first few years of Colonization.
Gerry
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It's all a mystery to me Gerry. I read in an article that tedscout pointed out to me yesterday that Samuel Livesly Phillips was in partnership in the South Australian Shipping Company. I have only really done research on the Thomas Dickinson Phillips whom was a son of Samuel's down so far. Now I am trying to fill the branches in above Samuel.
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Moonglow,
Interesting from Cando's post to see that Samuel Livesley Phillips arrived in SA from NSW in the first few years of Colonization.
Gerry
Mmmm - did think he could be a convict but I can't find him. Been working and haven't had time to look for more things.
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Moonglow,
Interesting from Cando's post to see that Samuel Livesley Phillips arrived in SA from NSW in the first few years of Colonization.
Gerry
Mmmm - did think he could be a convict but I can't find him. Been working and haven't had time to look for more things.
Would be interesting to find out why he went from NSW to SA tedscout
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South Australia was a FREE state - no convicts.
My hubby has a convict who went to SA as with a survey teamand was given a pardon to go, because there were no convicts in SA.
Lots of convicts ended up in Victoria and SA to "reinvent" themselves.
what I have been trying to do s work out where the "Livingsley" came from and whether one of the "Samuel Phillips - convict" could be him.
Food for thought, cheers Ted
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South Australia was a FREE state - no convicts.
My hubby has a convict who went to SA as with a survey teamand was given a pardon to go, because there were no convicts in SA.
Lots of convicts ended up in Victoria and SA to "reinvent" themselves.
what I have been trying to do s work out where the "Livingsley" came from and whether one of the "Samuel Phillips - convict" could be him.
Food for thought, cheers Ted
I have never really thought of the possibility of Samuel being a convict but then again if he was trying to reinvent himself it would have been a good place to do so I guess.
Cheers
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Hubby has 2 convicts - 1 went to Vic the other to SA. They both became wealthy land owners and noteable citizens. So don't rule anything out.
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PHILLIPS Samuel (Livesley?) arrived 1839-06-23 on Ganges from London
according to South Australian Passenger Lists. I found 7 Samuel Phillips in the convicts lists but none of the dates corresponded with his arrival. Now I tend to think maybe he wasn't a convict, but am probably totally wrong too.
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Hi,
Brief mention of Mr Phillips the agent to Lloyds September 1841.
Maybe he was sent out by Lloyds of London as one of their agents and was located in Port Adelaide!
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27442828?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Hi,
Brief mention of Mr Phillips the agent to Lloyds September 1841.
Maybe he was sent out by Lloyds of London as one of their agents and was located in Port Adelaide!
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27442828?searchTerm=
Gerry
Cheers for that Gerry
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Hi,
Brief mention of Mr Phillips the agent to Lloyds September 1841.
Maybe he was sent out by Lloyds of London as one of their agents and was located in Port Adelaide!
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27442828?searchTerm=
Gerry
I am sure you are right Gerry as Cando had found me this info the other day. So I guess that means maybe he came over as a worker.
PHILLIPS Samuel Livesley
Parents Thos and Mary nee ANDERSON born 20 May1808 Southwark LND ENG
Died 22 Nov 1860 Hindmarsh SA
Arrived 1839 from NSW
Occupation Agent
Lived Pt Adelaide, Hindmarsh, Woodville, Glenelg
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Moonglow,
1841 was a tough year economically for South Australia many persons had been brought out from England for free with the Emigration Scheme were unemployed and supported by the Colony and for your Samuel to have been a shipping agent since 1839 in Port Adelaide may indicate that he wasn't an unskilled worker.
Maybe he was one of the lucky Preliminary Land Order holders or maybe he was sent out by Llloyds or he was part of the emigrant scheme only further reseach may tell. He was one of the real South Australia pioneers, Colonel Light had only finshed surveying Adelaide two years earlier in 1837.
Good luck with your research.
Gerry
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Moonglow,
1841 was a tough year economically for South Australia many persons had been brought out from England for free with the Emigration Scheme were unemployed and supported by the Colony and for your Samuel to have been a shipping agent since 1839 in Port Adelaide may indicate that he wasn't an unskilled worker.
Maybe he was one of the lucky Preliminary Land Order holders or maybe he was sent out by Llloyds or he was part of the emigrant scheme only further reseach may tell. He was one of the real South Australia pioneers, Colonel Light had only finshed surveying Adelaide two years earlier in 1837.
Good luck with your research.
Gerry
Thanks for that Gerry :)
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PHILLIPS Samuel (Livesley?) arrived 1839-06-23 on Ganges from London
according to South Australian Passenger Lists. I found 7 Samuel Phillips in the convicts lists but none of the dates corresponded with his arrival. Now I tend to think maybe he wasn't a convict, but am probably totally wrong too.
Passenger List
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1839Ganges.htm
Arrival
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k63/
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/shipping/passengerlists.html
PHILLIPS Samuel [Livesley?] arrived in SA 23 Jun 1839 aboard GANGES from London
[Source:7,10,21,23(2),26] Perhaps read the sources for the assumption that it is Samuel L.
[7] Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885, SAGHS, 1986
I have given you the information
[10] South Australian Deaths Registrations 1842-1915, SAGHS, 2000
PHILLIPS Samuel Livesley
22 Nov 1860 52 years Status not known Relative not recorded
Residence Hindmarsh Death Place Hindmarsh Ade 9/191
[20] South Australian Marriages Registrations 1842-1916, SAGHS, 2001
You have this record.
[21] Manifests of Vessels Arriving from Overseas 1838-42, SAA, GRG41/8 (A743)
Available at SA Records and posssibly SLSA
[23] 1841 South Australia Census Returns, SAA, GRG24/13
http://www.jaunay.com/census.html
[24] South Australian Government Gazette
See snip below
[26] Barry Leadbeater, South Australia Marriages 1836-55, Adelaide, 2005-2012
PHILLIPS Samuel Livesley married HARDING Mary Ann on 15 Sep 1840
Samuel was the Customs House Agent
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k64/
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PHILLIPS Samuel (Livesley?) arrived 1839-06-23 on Ganges from London
according to South Australian Passenger Lists. I found 7 Samuel Phillips in the convicts lists but none of the dates corresponded with his arrival. Now I tend to think maybe he wasn't a convict, but am probably totally wrong too.
Passenger List
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1839Ganges.htm
Arrival
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k63/
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/shipping/passengerlists.html
PHILLIPS Samuel [Livesley?] arrived in SA 23 Jun 1839 aboard GANGES from London
[Source:7,10,21,23(2),26] Perhaps read the sources for the assumption that it is Samuel L.
[7] Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885, SAGHS, 1986
I have given you the information
[10] South Australian Deaths Registrations 1842-1915, SAGHS, 2000
PHILLIPS Samuel Livesley
22 Nov 1860 52 years Status not known Relative not recorded
Residence Hindmarsh Death Place Hindmarsh Ade 9/191
[20] South Australian Marriages Registrations 1842-1916, SAGHS, 2001
You have this record.
[21] Manifests of Vessels Arriving from Overseas 1838-42, SAA, GRG41/8 (A743)
Available at SA Records and posssibly SLSA
[23] 1841 South Australia Census Returns, SAA, GRG24/13
http://www.jaunay.com/census.html
[24] South Australian Government Gazette
See snip below
[26] Barry Leadbeater, South Australia Marriages 1836-55, Adelaide, 2005-2012
PHILLIPS Samuel Livesley married HARDING Mary Ann on 15 Sep 1840
Samuel was the Customs House Agent
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k64/
Thank you ever so much Cando :)
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Thomas D and 'Bessie' are buried at Cheltenham. There is a headstone and a photo is available on request...no charge. Email address on website. Be sure to mention the name, cemetery and file and photo numbers. Fantastic service by Kym ;D
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/cheltenham_mr.htm
Really no need to quote the large messages...makes the thread a tad long and difficult to read.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Thanks Cando
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Hi Clare
Are you still looking for you Samuel Phillips family. Are you in UK or Australia?
Chris
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Welcome to RootsChat Chris :)
Moonglow hasn't been logged in since Mar 2012. Hopefully she has notifications turned on and her email address hasn't changed.
Cando
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If anyone is still interested in Johan Augustinus, it is correct that he died 14/06/1896. But he is not buried in Blackwood (as per Tedscout's reply#14 in this thread). There is a memorial to him at the Blackwood Cemetery (he lived in Blackwood for more than 20 years). But he is actually buried in the Lutheran section of the Melbourne General Cemetery with his daughter Louisa Chandler (nee Augustinus) and son-in-law, George Chandler.