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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: malsie on Tuesday 07 February 12 00:18 GMT (UK)
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How do I access police photos ?
:) malsie
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Photos of Police officers or criminals? Which state did he live in?
Debra :)
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This might help with info
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-82
Debra :)
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Hi Debra !
Jack was a bit of a lad; boxer in the 1930s.
Interested in photos of him boxing or other !
Interested in his wife, family...from what I have read
he was at Redfern Police Station; jailed for a year at one point
don't know when he died or was buried even though I have tried
to find out.
will look at your link now - much thanks,
:D malsie
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no luck with link but ta for your effort, Debra
malsie
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Malsie
I have just be looking at Trove he must have been quite a ladd
there is a John Joseph Finnie buried at Woronora, maybe thats him
http://www.woronoracemetery.org.au/name-search.html
Cass
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Mmm John Joseph "Jack" Finney, wasn't he the bloke that was in the Series Underbelly "RAZOR". Did a bit of work for the Ladies of Palmer Street?
Neil
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Thanks, Cass
and I haven't seen the series, Neil
malsie
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Have jou seen this, it gives a bit of info on Jack, and his cousin
Cass
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/hindsight/cops-crims-and-consorting/3058492#
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Hi Malsie, I dont think Jack had too many professional bouts, but might have knocked around the "Tents" for some money. He was a Bantam weight.
Neil
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Have you tried to contact the Police and Justice Museum via Historical Houses Trust?
http://www.hht.net.au/
They recently had an exhibition of criminal photographs and memoribilia etc to coincide with the "Razor" Underbelly series.
Leanne
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Light Flyweight and these were his fights won 1 (KO 0) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 0 = 1
rounds boxed 4 KO% 0
From what I remember he was into bare knuckle fighting.
He is in the book but I wasnt able to open it.
http://books.google.com.au/books/about/Dangerous_to_Know.html?id=2GVhAqukVA0C
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49547084
Shooting of Jack.
Leanne
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You say Jack was born 1902 do you know where?
The Finnie 1956 at Woronora is not Finney.
Neil
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Thanks, all
I think he is John J Finnie died 17/11/68 at Woronora.
He seems to be buried with his wife, Millicent Maude (died 13/7/1994) and
could it be his son, John William (died 9/8/1994) - I think he played for St George (football) ?
Jack's siblings: William, Mabel, Adeline, Veronica and Elsie; parents: Sydney William, Mary Bridget. ???
Mary Bridget is the sister of my great g'ma Adeline Elizabeth (Quinn) Stanley. Adeline is at Woronora;
but I wonder where Mary and Sydney are ? There was another sister, Catherine Julia and a brother,
John Joseph...
Will check out your links and info
:D malsie
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Mentions in NZ papers:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19231013.2.45.1.3 Returing to Sydney after a good scrap
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19250523.2.72&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0--
The last story says that Jack Finnie's photo was used by mistake on the programme with the name of Les Murray. :o
regards,
Ros
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Is this your William Sidney
also I found a Mary B Finnie died 12.4.1919 buried at Rookwood Catholic Cemetery, on the Rookwood disc it indiates there is a headstone
incription " Mary Finnie 12.4.1919 aged 42yrs My wife our Mother"
Cass
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:) thanks. Ros - very interesting;
I have come across refs to his boxing in Sydney n'papers
Cass,
the Church of England put me off but you're prob right that it is
Jackie's dad. Very young Mary Bridget when she died !
Jackie, 17 yo at the time.
my best to you all,
malsie
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You say Jack was born 1902 do you know where?
The Finnie 1956 at Woronora is not Finney.
Neil
Sorry Neil,
I think he was born in Sydney
malsie
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Mentions in NZ papers:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19231013.2.45.1.3 Returing to Sydney after a good scrap
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19250523.2.72&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0--
The last story says that Jack Finnie's photo was used by mistake on the programme with the name of Les Murray. :o
regards,
Ros
Ros - looking at the full pages was very interesting: I wonder how I can get a copy of the program cover ?
malsie :)
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I am not really into boxing Malsie but ...
Let me see it is the first night of the Wellington championships in 1925.
And this link says it is the only official website for amateur (Olympic style) boxing in NZ http://www.boxingnz.org.nz/page/news.aspx?news=1187
Perhaps you could contact them. Or maybe Neil has some suggestions.
regards,
Ros
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:D Thanks Ros,
I'm not into boxing either - nor football - nor cricket; but, because I have ancestors that
'shone' in these sports suddenly I'm exploring avenues - and others - that are very new
to me.
It is remarkable how quickly I have developed an interest - even in the surrounding
history/times that shaped these folk and that perhaps explain why they were the ppl they were etc.
I have sent an email to the association of your link !
Blessings,
malsie
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Light Flyweight and these were his fights won 1 (KO 0) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 0 = 1
rounds boxed 4 KO% 0
From what I remember he was into bare knuckle fighting.
He is in the book but I wasnt able to open it.
http://books.google.com.au/books/about/Dangerous_to_Know.html?id=2GVhAqukVA0C
Very interested:From what I remember he was into bare knuckle fighting. ?
Tedscout - hoe do you know this ?
malsie
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Sorry I didn't answer earlier Malsie - I have been away.
I got my info from this website http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=464571&cat=boxer
As for the bare knuckle fighting - lots of reading about the 1920's in Sydney and the Razer gangs.
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ta Tedscout,
every little bit helps - to paint a picture
It is remarkable that those in my family closest to
J Finnie in relationship - dead now - all had biggish hands;
the males were particularly strong but not 'big' men -
I marvelled at this: not knowing of Jack.
Indeed, his cousin taught me some basic boxing so
looking for info on him I stumbled on Jack...I knew
there were 'Finnies' in the family but his criminal activity
wasn't known by the family's females - I have been told
by an older female closer related...actually, we told they all
liked to go 'dancing' on a Sat nite !
malsie
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Jack Finnie is my Great Uncle on my dads side. We all have fairly big hands as well.
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Hello unclehus,
Welcome to rootschat :)
Malsie has been on this site fairly recently so I am sure she will be along soon :)
cheers,
Ros
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Thanks rosball, it is funny I need to find out who they are as I have found and commented on a few of her posts as she keeps showing up on my searches commenting on most of my family line! I am tree stalking her lol. I remember a lot about the Finnies and my Dad can shed light on even more.
And Thanks for the welcome.
Uncle Hus
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I sent her a personal message - as you will have seen you normally get notified when a new post has been made but sometimes people turn this off by mistake.
Anyway I sent her a message just in case .... Hopefully she will be along soon and can fill you in
(and find out more from you)
cheers,
Ros
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:D :D
Thanks, rosball, you are SO kind to me. :)
Hi, unclehus !
My mother's name was Kathleen Elsie McDonald; her mum, Elsie Marion (Stanley) McDonald; her mum, Adeline Elizabeth (Quin) Stanley.
Adeline's sisters: Mary Bridget(Quin) Finnie 1875-1919; Catherine Julia(Quin) McCallum 1877-1942;
and, older brother: John Joseph Quin 1873-1949.
I'm falling out of the family tree - with so much a-shaking lol
I have informed 3 others related.
VERY interested in any info
malsie
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Hello, Those interested in Jack Finnie. I'm distantly telated. His cousin Clarrie Thomas the gangster was my uncle. I have a gteat photo of Jack and Clarrie taken in the 1930s and other photos of Jack in his later years. Also much info on their criminal activities. Are you still interested?
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Hi Robyn, welcome! Yes still very much interested. Jacks sister Vera was my grandmother
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I wrote a thesis some years ago about gangsters in 1920s Sydney. My uncle Clarrie was a well-known gangster of the period and so was his cousin Jack. I have a great photo of them walking down George Street Sydney just before Clarrie was murdered. He and Jack were pretty well 'joined at the hip' whenever Clarrie got out of gaol (which wasn't often!) and were involved in gun battles, standovers and shakedowns, etc., together. I have a couple of photos of Jack when he was elderly, as well, sent to me by another of his relatives, Jim Janz, who lives in Queensland. I think he's still alive.
I'm desperately searching for any other photos of Clarrie that may survive somewhere out there. Most of the Thomas family photos were list in a bushfire in the 1950s.
Let me know what you're interested in.
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Hi Robyn, wow how fascinating. I remember visiting Jacks wife as a child, with my father Barry. I'll go through the photographs I have, but I have to admit I'm not sure what clarrie looked like. I'll happily share any info I have.
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I can send you a copy of the photo I have of Jack and Clarrie in George Street (you might have it yourself). They were with another shady character. Clarrie was much taller than Jack, black curly hair, broad shoulders. I think it's doubtful there are any 'family photos' but you never know. Clarrie was a ladies' man and the women of the Finnie family were fond of him.
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That would be great thanks. If you send it to my wife will be able to forward you what we have. If you'd like she'll forward you myfacebook, there's a few Finnie fh cousins on there. I've pmed you the email
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Hi Robin and welcome :),
Do you have the photos from trove?
Just in case you don't have it here is a photo of Clarrie's widow Pearl http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article237751783
Best if you remove your e-mail address MrsAngus (to avoid spam etc). You can send a personal message to Robin containing your e-mail address. Just click on the circle with a letter/page in it under Robin's name and it will open a new window in which you can send a personal message.
Ros
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Will get on to that when I get home later today.
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Thanks Ros. I do have that photo but appreciate your response.
Robin
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Hi Robin,
Very interesting re Clarrie Thomas. :D
Glad you have been communicating with Finnie people.
I will reply to your email now.
Kind regards
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Hi Robin,
I have a lot of info on the Finnies and was in touch with one of Jack's relatives a while ago. I may have some photos of Jack that you don't have. I would love to see the ones you have of Jack and Clarrie. Have always wondered how they were connected.
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Hi to all those interested in the photo I have of Jack Finnie and Clarrie Thomas:
I've had a bit of trouble sending the photo as an attachment (mainly because I stupidly didn't resize it). So, please, if there's anyone who still has not received it from me, please let me know and I'll send it again, properly this time.
Robin