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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: doherty1 on Monday 06 February 12 17:43 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, a newbie here. :)
I have started to trace my family tree and have come to a bit of a dead end.
Im looking for any mother and fathers details to the below:
Sarah Livermore born 12/09/1867 - died 19/02/1947 - eastwood church
James Livermore - son - born 1888
Annie Livermore - daughter - born 1889
Joseph Livermore - son - born 1890
Annie Livermore was with Elias Stone (not sure if married). Father Stephen Stone 1834 -1929. Dont know Stephen Stones father?
Thanks
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Did you get Sarah's maiden name from one of the childrens birth certs?
Do you have the family on any census? If so - where was Sarah born?
Where were the children born
Was Livermore her birth surname
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I've just found her on the 1891 census for West Tilbury Essex. Caravan on Tilbury Common
Sarah Livermore 23 widow licensed hawker b Cambridge
James 3 b Rayleigh Essex
Annie 2 b Colchester
Joseph 6mths b Southend
What was her maiden name?
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Hi CaroleW
Thats all the info i have im afraid, all from the 1891 census.
Not sure where to go from here?
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There is no male Livermore death in Essex in a similar age range to Sarah pre-1891 so you will need to buy a copy of one of their childrens birth certs to get her maiden name
There is an Annie Livermore baptism on the link below - parents Thomas & Sarah Ann but the area was wrong and the only Thomas Livermore death in Essex was well after the 1891 census
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XK84-H9M
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Where did you get her precise birthdate from?
Sarah died as Livermore so no apparent re-marriage
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I got her birth date from her grave stone. I think im going to have to order one of the childrens birth cert to get any further.
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Keep this post open and when you get the cert - post the details here and we can take it up for you
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Will do, thank you
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Hello
Maybe this thread needs to be moved to the TRAVELLERS
1891 RG12 1379 72 17
Sarah LIVERMORE is shown as a widow Licensed Hawker b Cambridge 1868
encamped with the BUCKLEY's and others on Tilbury Common, check the pages of the census....
Suggets you google Sarah LIVERMORE, there is information which will assist in your search
http://
romanygenes.webeden.co.uk/#/notes-queries-jgls/4538350814
If you go to the site tool bar select search and type in LIVERMORE, you will also find other posts on this family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,348424.0.html
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1891 RG12 1379 72 17
Sarah LIVERMORE is shown as a widow Licensed Hawker b Cambridge 1868
Please see reply #2 above
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hi.
try the threads with these headings.,....
brooks, lambs, andersons.
bohemia eatates eastwood, eastwood church.
good luck
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Hi,
I may be able to help you as I have them in my family tree I'll have a look at the info I have and get back to you also if there is anything else I can help with my main line is Brooks but I have Lamb ,livermore, Scarrott , draper to name a few in there as well.
Caro
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See my post, think we may have same family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=738113.0
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Annie Livermore and Elias Stone were my great great grandparents! Have some info on the Stone side but not on the Livermore...
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There is an Annie Livermore baptism on the link below - parents Thomas & Sarah Ann but the area was wrong and the only Thomas Livermore death in Essex was well after the 1891 census
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XK84-H9M
This is likely to be the Annie whose birth was registered in the Romford district (includes Barking) Q4 1887. There is a death for Annie Livermore age 2 also in Romford district Q1 1890.
The only Annie Livermore reg Colchester district was Q1 1891, which seems rather too late.
No sign of a registration at all for Joseph - not as Livermore anyway and very few Josephs in the right time frame in Rochford district. He was 6 months on the 1891 census so birth about sept/Oct 1890
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My theory is that Sarah was unmarried, she said she was a widow for appearance's sake. Either the children were unregistered (except possibly James), registered under father's surname (which may not be the same for all children) or given the itinerant lifestyle not registered in the district where they were born.
Sarah said she was born in Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, again she may not know with any accuracy where she was born, if her mother / parents were also moving around a lot. But it could well place her in Cambs rather than Essex.
My best candidate for Sarah is one born in Royston, living in Barkway Road Royston in 1871. At this time the Herts / Cambs boundary chopped the town in two. It was moved north (controversially) to give the northern part to Herts about 10 years later.
Sarah age 4 is with her mother (also Sarah age 32) and siblings Mary Ann age 8 and John age 1 (it looks as if 15 months has been scratched out). They are living with Edward Forby (?) age 40 described as lodger, unmarried, occupation hawker. Sarah is also described as lodger, her status is described as mother which has been crossed out an ditto added, i.e unmarried same as Edward above. There is no head of household, Edward is the first named as occupier, but it may have been so temporary occupation he described himself as lodger. The house is the third one in the Barkway road list after the end of the High Street. I suspect they've been demolished for the one way system and the "bus station". There are some small terraced houses prob mid Victorian a little further up Barkway road, which could be of similar type.
Sarah senior is said to be born in Melbourn, Cambs which at the time would have been on the direct road from Royston to Cambridge. Mary Ann was also born in Melbourn, Sarah jnr and John in Royston.
Given age, location and occupation of mother's partner (and possibly natural father) this could be the Sarah who was in Tilbury in 1891.
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I think Edward Fourby is actually Edmund Yourby, I think I have found him in 1881 living in Cambridge (St Andrew the Less) with wife Mary Ann 44 b Steeple Morden Cambs and daughter Elizabeth 10 b Royston. He is still born Potton Beds and still a hawker.
No sign of Sarah Livermore and children, she could have moved in with someone else and either married or adopted his surname.
In 1861 Edmund Yourby is living with Sarah Livermore (no children yet) in Melbourn. He's a gardener and she is his "lodger"
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There is a Sarah Livermore birth registered Royston Sept quarter Q3 1867, which fits the daughter of Sarah snr (and possiby Edmund Yourby) and the birthdate for the Sarah Livermore on gravestone mentioned in original post.
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