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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: SophieTopDog on Saturday 04 February 12 22:31 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for the marriage of my great grandparents
John LAVIN b 1846 married Winifred LAVIN b1848 in the late 1860s
By 1870, they were living in England, their eldest son James was born in Batley, they ecentually settled in Wigan.
There was always a family story about a Lavin marrying a Lavin.
From their children's birth certificates, this is true.
The name is sometimes down as LAVAN
I cannot find a marriage in England, so it is a possibility that they married in Ireland before moving to England.
According to later census records, they were both born in County Mayo.
Can anyone point me in the right direction to find the marriage record please?
Thanks
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I can’t see any marriage listed between a John Lavin and Winifred Lavin in Co Mayo.
There is a marriage for a Winifred Lavin in Castlereagh, Mayo 1866 (Volume 9, page 76) but her husband does not appear to have been named John Lavin.
There is also a marriage between a John Lavin and a Winifred Egan in Castlereagh 1867, Volume 4, page 270. That probably fits slightly better.
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Thank you for the information, I agree that the dates fit, but I would be taking Winifred Egan as a convenient match.
John and Winifred had seven children, the first three were born in Yorkshire and I do not yet have their birth certificates.
The four younger children were born in Lancashire and the birth records definitely state the mother's maiden name as Lavin or Lavan.
I remember my grandmother saying of her parents that they were both Lavins - "a Lavin married a Lavin"
I will send for the birth certificate of the eldest child born and see what it says against the mother's name.
Thanks again
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May I suggest you look at Ballaghderreen/Lisacul/Loughlyn areas of west Roscommon. I am aware of a number of Lavin families in these areas which fall within the Castlereagh registration district,parts of which were formerly part of Mayo prior to changes to the County border,
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Hi
I've just seen this query and I might be able to help. I've been looking at the Larvins in Batley as well and I've looked at the records of St Mary of the Angels RC Church Batley now held at Hinsley House in Leeds. They show that on 11/01/1868 John Lavin son of James Lavin married Winefrid Lavin daughter of Patrick Lavin. A John and Winny Lavin and their son James also appear in the 1871 Census living in New Street in Batley.
There are a number of people with the Lavan, Lavin and Larvin surname in the Batley area and I'm not sure who is and isn't connected but my interest is in a Catherine Larvin from Co Mayo, daughter of a Patrick Larvin. She married John McManus in 1875. I would be interested in any information you might have if you think that there might be a link.
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Thank you for this information, I had almost given up on finding this marriage.
I have John and Winny in the 1871 census, by 1881 they had moved to Wigan
Their children James 1870 and Thomas 1872 were born in Batley
John 1875 was born in Barnsley
Later children, including my grandmother Margaret Lavin 1875 were born in Wigan
Even though I now have the marriage date (with your help) in 1868, I still cannot see a marriage record in the usual BMD databases.
Perhaps they are hidden in another unusual variation of Lavin!!!
There are quite a few Lavins in the Wigan area, there is a Patrick Lavin, also marred to a Winifred, of a similar age to John Lavin, they have lived in the same streets in Wigan and I have always suspected that they were brothers, but cannot prove it.
Do you suspect that your Catherine Larvin and my Winifred Lavin have the same Patrick Lavin as theit father?
Did Catherine and John McManus stay in the Yorkshire area?
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Hi Sophie,
the marriage is on Free BMD under Larvan and Larven - March 1868 Dewsbury 9b 700.
regards
heywood
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Thanks Heywood
I have tried so many variations on Lavin, but obviously not this one.
I will send for the certificate, hopefully, I can take them back a little further now
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Hi Sophie
One piece of information you provided caught my eye straight away - Barnsley!
Catherine Larvin and John McManus married in Batley in 1875 and their first child, my great grandfather was born in 1876 at Glass House Fields, Ardsley an area of Barnsley. This was a surprise as we weren't aware of any Barnsley connection. They were probably back in Batley by 1881. I would be interested to hear where in Barnsley your John was born if you know.
From St Mary's baptism records (godparents etc) I'm fairly confident that Catherine had at least two brothers: Thomas and James. I've never managed to find James on a census and I've not found anything for Catherine before 1881. The only details of their origins is "Mayo" where I understand the Lavin name is common.
However I can't see the baptismal records for either James (1870) or Thomas (1872). I've also checked the records for St Paulinus at Dewsbury and again no luck.
From St Mary's marriage records there appear to be at least 3 Patrick Lavans who had children in Batley.
My Catherine's DoB was around 1856, Thomas around either 1844 or 1848 depending on which record you use and one of his witnesses was a Margaret Lavan, and James' around 1849. All state that their father was a farm labourer and alive. There might also be another brother John DoB 1852 though his father is described as a farmer.
A lot to take in - good luck.
Gellies
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I do not have the birth certificate for John who as born in Barnsley, so cannot be more specific.
Unfortunately the births fall between the 1871 census in Batley and the 1881 census in Wigan
Are the records for St Mary of the Angels available to search online?
Just reread your email and you say that the records are available in Hinsley House, so I assume you are looking up the records in Leeds?
My John and Winifred Lavin both state in the census records that they are from County Mayo.
Are you aware of any of your Lavins moving over the hill into Lancashire?
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Hi Sophie
I'll see if I can find your John's birth. I've had a look at the 1871 and 1881 census records for Ardsley but didn't find any Lavins so if there were family there it may have only been for a short time. I'll look at Barnsley later.
I'm not aware of any Lancashire connections but apart from Catherine Lavin's name and that she came from Mayo nothing else has passed down through the family. I'm originally from Batley and still have family living there but I've never come across anyone called Lavin which is surprising given the number who lived in Batley in the 1870s. However I've had real trouble finding the males in the census records and one explanation might be that they were moving round trying to find work.
There was one family of Lavins in nearby Birstall (now in the Borough of Batley) who hailed from Kilkelly in Mayo which is a village near Knock but so far I have been unable to establish a link with my Lavins.
Hinsley House is owned by Leeds Diocese and the original records for St Mary are held there unfortunately nothing is held in an electronic format though you can visit. I went and took details of all of the entries I could find for all the various surnames of my forebears including anything that looked like Lavin. I have a sort of spreadsheet that helped me piece things together and I'll try and attach a version with just the Lavins on that you might find interesting - bear with me though as it might not be until the weekend. Mine is also in English whereas the records are in Latin.
I would be interested to know what appears on the wedding certificate when you get it especially whether Patrick was still alive and what his profession was.
Regards,
Gellies
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I have the marriage cerificate of John (age 20) and Winefred Larvan (age 19)
John was a Mason's Labourer, residence Batley, Father's name James Larvan. Joiner
Winefred, no occupation, residence Batley, Father's name Patrick Larvan, Farmer
Both fathers appear to be alive at the time of the marriage
Witnesses are: Catherine Lundy and Luke Larten (diificult to read - Perhaps Luke's name was Lawton)
If Lavin becomes Larvan, I can see Lawton becoming Larten!!
Perhaps the only ongoing clues are the father's occupations??
Or maybe a marriage between Cathering and Luke?
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Hi Sophie
That's interesting as the ones that I've looked at: Catherine, James, John and Thomas all show their father as a farmer or farm labourer and still alive. I'll carry on searching.
I've only been able to find John and Thomas in the 1911 census and Thomas's birthplace is shown as Barhre Co Mayo and John's is Clonemore Co Mayo. Neither place appears to exist though there is a Cloonmore with a Ballagh Street so that could be a candidate. The problem is proving a link between them all.
I tried to attach a file with the Lavin marriage details that I have - first attempt but it didn't work. I'll have a go at converting it to another format bear with me.
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In one of the census records John (1846) stated that he was born in Sligo, County Mayo
There is a Cloonmore in County Mayo
I cannot find a Barhre in County Mayo
Sligo and Cloonmore are not too far apart
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You could email the marriage details if you like.
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Hi
Apologies but I've been very busy this week. I tried converting my spreadsheet into a pdf but that wasn't very successful and even worse it wouldn't then convert back. I recreated the spreadsheet, printed it and then took a photo but that has just failed as well. Probably best to send me a pm and I'll email it to you.
Regards,
Gellies