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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: Michelle Renslow on Friday 13 May 05 18:02 BST (UK)
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Iam looking for info on Richard Buffington born 1655 in Great Marle, Thames, Buckinghamshire. MArried to Anne ?. Emigrated to America and died Chester CO, Pennsylvania. Any info would be helpful. So Thomas Buffington was born in Chester Co, Pennsylvania.
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Hi Michelle,
First of all, I think the village that you are interested in, is Great Marlow, Buckingshire. I guess you got your info from
the IGI. I just checked to see what they had and could not believe what I saw ::). They are all church member submitted
records and as such may be complete nonsense. The many different names given to Great Marlow shows that these submitters did not do much research.(I particularly like "Great Marble" ;D) There was one marriage extracted from original records, so there is some hope that some Buffingtons did actually live in Great Marlow in the 1600s.
Would I be right in guessing that your Buffingtons were Quakers? I have done some Bucks(short form of the county name) research, but don't know much about Quaker records.
If no one on RootsChat can help you, I would suggest that
you contact the local family history societies; there are two
of them, either or both will be very helpful. They will do
look-ups for a very reasonable fee. If the Buffingtons lived in Buckinghamshire for any length of time, they will be able to find any existing records. Very little is available online. See:
http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/
http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/
A good place to learn more about genealogical research in England and details about each county, place names, parishes, etc. is Genuki. Link to Bucks page:
http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/
Hope this is of some help.
Good Luck in your search,
Carmela
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Thank you Carmella I will do that. It's funny Great Marble.
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Hi Michelle,
I hope you're still looking for this post.
I live in Marlow and have access to the baptism registers you mentioned.So I went and had a look.
Around that date there is no family called BUFFINGTON.
However ,there is a Family called BOVINGTON(They also spell it later on as BAVINGTON.They also have a Richard born in 1655 in Great Marlow.
Surnames at this time can change dramatically through illitracy or just bad spellings.
So in case you're interested:-
Birth-(not baptism)
March 15th 1655/6
Richard BOVINGTON-son of Thomas and Amie?(the question mark was in the register).
Hope that helps,if you think it's him I'll go back and try to find his father's birth.
Best wishes,
Trisha :) :)
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Trisha,
I am still looking for info on this family. I would guess Buffington might have been Bovington in the surname line. I would greatly appreciate any help or connections in England. I am real curious about these families. I have one line I can tie to, Stapylton's. Their family crest may be in Windsor Castle but not confirmed yet. on two lines I know of I am the 36th generation American and another maybe around 46th American. I love history.
Thanks in Advance for any info you have given to me, I know every little helps.
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The Stapletons are one of the families notable for using a Saracen's head as their crest. I am here using the term crest strictly to refer to the crest on top of the helmet not as the loose term for the coat of arms. This crest alludes to crusading ancestors and may have been replaced by a fan of feathers or a cockscomb at a later date. Other branches of the family used a Unicorn's Head or a Talbot (which is a breed of hound)
Exeter College, Oxford University uses the arms of its founder Walter de Stapledon (1314). This shield is very difficult to describe. It is basically two bends nebully (diagonal stripes with jigsaw puzzle edges) with a border containing seven symbols which look a bit like keys.
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Wow! Thanks for the description of the crest. Can you tell me where it's located?
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The answer to where I found the information I am afraid is my bookcase. It is mostly narative but Fairbournes Crests does contain some of the decription and a small black and white picture of the Saracen's head.
You ought to be able to find the Exeter College Coat of Arms by googling. The book I got that from didn't have a crest illustrated but the college may. The shield again was black and white and not worth scanning.
Sorry
David
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thanks for the info! I can probably find the book, now I know where to look.
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Its not worth looking for Fairbourne's Crests there is nothing more there to help you.
David
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Thank You!
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The spelling of the name Buffington is unique only to America and began with Richard Buffington when he arrived in 1676. It is the spelling he used to sign the West Jersey Compact a few years later with William Penn and about 250 others. The name has underwent a number of spellings in England. Early examples were Abovton, Boveton, Bovington and so on until the name came to be spelled Buffington. If anyone is interested I can post the whole list. Richard's first cousin Thomas followed Richard to the Colonies a few years later and also spelled his name Buffington. From these two Buffingtons all others in America have descended.
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I don't think the spelling of Buffington is unique to America.
This Buffington Prerogative Court of Canterbury will predates the 1676 date you give by 19 years.
Will of Thomas Buffington, Yeoman of Heston, Middlesex 07 September 1657 PROB 11/265
There are two later dated Buffington PCC wills.
and these baptisms on the IGI taken from actual parish register entries also predate 1676
MARGARET BUFFINGTON
Birth: 20 JAN 1664
Christening: 05 FEB 1664 St Giles Cripplegate, London
Father: JOHN BUFFINGTON
Mother: LUCEY
SARAH BUFFINGTON
Christening: 06 MAR 1669 St Giles Cripplegate, London
Father: WILLIAM BUFFINGTON
Mother: ANN
and earliest of all predating 1676 by 99 years
KATERYN BUFFINGTON
Christening: 10 NOV 1577 Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey
Father: JOHN BUFFINGTON
JOHN BUFFINGTON
Christening: 20 SEP 1579 Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey
Father: JOHN BUFFINGTON
THOMAS BUFFINGTON
Christening: 26 MAY 1583 Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey
Father: JOHN BUFFINGTON
JOHN BUFFYNGETTON
Christening: 22 MAY 1592 Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey
Father: JOHN BUFFYNGETTON
Is there enough information in Bovington Great Marlow wills, both those held in Buckinghamshire Record Office and PCC wills like this
Will of John Bovington, Yeoman of Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire 28 April 1652 PROB 11/221
to make the Bovington/Buffington spelling change from this source? What is the actual evidence that Richard Buffington was born a Richard Bovington circa 1655 in Great Marlow?
Regards
Valda
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I have one line I can tie to, Stapylton's. Their family crest may be in Windsor Castle but not confirmed yet. on two lines I know of I am the 36th generation American and another maybe around 46th American. I love history.
In English heraldry there is no such thing as a 'family crest' - arms are awarded to individuals. Obviously members of the same family will often use variations of the same set of arms (the crest as an element of the arms could be used by many of the family through the years). Others of the same surname but unrelated or only distantly related could be granted totally different arms. Records of the arms granted to all Stapletons etc. will be held at the College of Arms in London.
Where do you get 'in Windsor Castle' from? It may mean that a Stapleton was buried there (St George's Chapel) and the arms or crest are on a tomb; or he one was a Knight of the Garter (I guess they have records of those) - or it could be carved on some gift to a monarch etc. etc. If you want to follow it up contact the Windsor Castle Archives and hope they have it catalogued.
36th generation American - is it possible to trace back that far? Once you get to your native American line how do you follow it?
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I have a huge family and there are several geneologists in each line. I have 3 (including me) in my father's line and only two in my mother's, for my generation and grandfather's generation. It is possible to trace that far back if there is records or journals, the prize possession are the family bibles here in America. From history women have given birth at the time of menstruation. usually age 13-14 when they could possibly be married off. Like I said in this one line I can be 36th american. Especially if my ancestors landed in the U.S. around 1600. My father's line I can't trace past 8th generation because the ancestor with the last name of Weese came from Germany. There is no record of his father. Except for a German Hessian soldier who fought in the French and Indian war Via Canada. Who had several sons one of which has the same name as my missing link. I also got the info about the Crest in Windor castle from a geneologist who had helped trace the line. I have 13 Knights of the Garter in my line. I am thinking It was a Father and son thing. I am not too sure about certain things because I have not seen them with my own eyes. But documents and bio's I have seen have pegged the last Knight in the U.s. due to the fact they wouldn't conform to the Rules of England. So he and his family fled here. I will get in tough with the Windsor Geneology archives soon. I find this intriguing and would love to know what these people did.
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I have a huge family and there are several geneologists in each line. I have 3 (including me) in my father's line and only two in my mother's, for my generation and grandfather's generation. It is possible to trace that far back if there is records or journals, the prize possession are the family bibles here in America. From history women have given birth at the time of menstruation. usually age 13-14 when they could possibly be married off. Like I said in this one line I can be 36th american. Especially if my ancestors landed in the U.S. around 1600.
If the average difference between generations was 20 years and even with your very young mothers this would be very unusual. This would cover 720 years. This means that your first ancestor would have been born in America in 1280. If it was fifteen which is impossible then you are still talking about 1460. The usual estimate is thirty years which means in circa the year 900.
Someone has been using huge amounts of imagination.
David
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36 generations at 13 years per generation takes us back to 1538 (36 x 13 = 468; 2006-468 = 1538). That is before the first colony in N America.
That is assuming that every one of your ancestors was born to a 13 year old parent and then produced a child at age 13. I'm sorry I don't find that credible. Was your mother or father 13 when you were born? Are you 13 or under now?
It doesn't take many variations from the 13 year cycle to get you back another 50 years - to 1488. At that point you will be able to rewrite the history books if you can prove descent from European stock in the Americas.
For me it takes only 11 or 12 generations to get back to 1600 (there are plenty of fathers in their 30s or 40s). If I believed earlier genealogists in my line I could go back to mediaeval times, nobility etc. - but my own research has shown a very dodgy assumption or two in the earlier research.
My advice is to treat all information that is handed to you as suspect until you can check it against reliable sources. Many people (and you may well be one) are descended from Knights of the Garter etc.- but even more want to be and can be quite creative when finding that elusive link.
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Yes it is highly unusual. the average marriage age for a women in my family line is 16-18. The only line I can lay claim to is my father's blood line, and I am only the tenth generation here. The earliest Ancestor documented were some Quakers with William Penn to scout out land for settlers. I don't doubt there were other's here before the Colonies of Plymouth Rock. I am not claiming to have everything documented. I would like to get help in debunking a few things and to obtain these documents and I am not absolutley sure I am the 36 th american generation. One family geneologist has claimed to have gone all the way up to Noah and his Family (Ark). I won't go that far! no documents to support such a thing.
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William Penn didn't come to America until 1677. Taking the year 2006 (which ignores your generation) minus 1677 equals 329 years. Divide 329 by 16 and you still only get 20.5 generations. The sailing of the Mayflower was in 1620 so only 57 years pre William Penn (still only 24 generations ignoring your own, if all the women or at least the fathers had children at 16 - so were 15 at the start of the pregnancy and you were descended from the eldest child which had to survive each time). Unless you are claiming descent from the Virginia settlement (still only 1584 - just another 36 years earlier than the Mayflower and Plymouth Rock you cannot get any earlier in America. Virginia is the earliest settlement, excluding the Vikings and a failed shortlived Spanish settlement. So the furthest you could possibly stretch (and it really is a very big stretch) would be the 23rd generation.
Quakers were not known for such young marriages even in America and you started with the premise of Richard Buffington born circa 1655 in Buckingham married supposedly no earlier than circa 1673 (and still in England). Which of his children do you claim descent from? What have you actually proved so far?
Regards
Valda
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this is the current line I am working on in decending order:
Richard Buffington (Anne ?) 30 may 1655 in Great Marle
Thomas Buffington (Ruth Cope) 1680 in Chester co, Pennsylvania
William Buffington (Alice Rupp) 1700 in Chester co, Pennsylvania
John Buffington (Sara Evans Young) 28 Oct 1731 in Chester Co, Pennsylvania
Phebe Buffington (James Sheward) 1768 in Chester Co, Pennsylvania
Sarah Sheward (Daniel Weese) 1787 in Pennsylvania
James Weese (Catherine Kirkendall) 1810 in Ohio
John Oliver Weese (Sarah Ann Ratcliff) 1843 in Iowa
John Henry Weese (Nancy Pearl James) 1867 Iowa
John Edward Weese (Nancy Gates) 1894 in Weese Crossing, Arkansas
Leslie H Weese (Modena Rose Shaffer) 1915 in Arkansas
Roger Weese (Robin Bevil) in Texas
Me in Phoenix, Az 8)
I also have a Thomas Buffington Poss father of Richard born in 1604 (guessing England) That's were this line stops with the info and Helpful hints. I have approximately 5 branches so far from my family tree that come out of England. This is the one I am currently active in.The last name could be Bovington because of the traditional spellings, illiteracy, plus family name change. This lne I can go back 12 Generations. Now if I follow the Sheward line up from James Sheward I hit 2 more lines Matlock (Matlack) and Haines (Hanes) Both into North Hamptonshire, England. Matlack goes up 5 more ancestors into Nottinghamshire around 1586 and Haines goes up 5 also into Sussex Co, 1614. 1 of my Dad's mom's line goes up to one of the Last Knights of the Garter (Stapylton).
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This lne I can go back 12 Generations. Now if I follow the Sheward line up from James Sheward I hit 2 more lines Matlock (Matlack) and Haines (Hanes) Both into North Hamptonshire, England. Matlack goes up 5 more ancestors into Nottinghamshire around 1586 and Haines goes up 5 also into Sussex Co, 1614. 1 of my Dad's mom's line goes up to one of the Last Knights of the Garter (Stapylton).
If you talk about modern counties this should either read "Both in Northamptonshire" or "Both in North Hampshire" probably the former.
David
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13 generations in America including yourself - that would be about the right time span and number of generations from the middle of the C17th.
'one of the Last Knights of the Garter'?
The order still exists
http://www.heraldica.org/topics/orders/garterlist.htm
Regards
Valda
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I recognize some of the names on the list. Miles and Bryan Stapylton being two. I was reading somewhere in the library a book about the Knights. With this list it might be possible to get all the way up to 1300's with this line. Will it be hard to get a copy of some of these documents?
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Try
http://www.abebooks.com/
Regards
Valda
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Thank You for your help! I will try Abe books.
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Some are in doubt that William, the son of Thomas, was the William Buffington that married Alice Rupp. Some say it was William the brother of Thomas. I would really like to hear from someone who really knows. Please email me. I am Doug...
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Hi Michelle,
My name is Connie, and I am wondering if you are the same Michelle Renslow seeking information about the Matlock(Matlack,Medlock) family from Matlock and Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, Derbyshire, England. If so, a few of our family members have compiled and documented extensived data dating back to 1528 and includes the info requested. There is a lot more, if you are interested. I lived in England for many years when I was young, and reside in San Antonio,Texas. The Matlocks from Matlock and Cropwell Bishop are on my mother's maternal side, we have many family members who are in Portland,Oregon, some in California, Colorado and the two working the hardest on this research, including traveling to Matlock, England, are two Matlock brothers in the state of Idaho. Below is the info you askd about -like I said-there is a lot more -also, many of us are on Facebook.I found a Michelle Renslow on FB in Auburn, New York,USA, and do not know if she is you and will send a note asking...
John Matlock and Margarett Assekem were married on 24 June 1586
George Matlocke and Jane Hall were married on 7 November 1636
John Matlocke was baptised on 30 March 1560
We were unable to find entries for Thomas Matlock in 1589, George Matlock in 1613 and William Matlock in 1648.
If you wish to pursue your inquiry further, you are welcome to make a personal visit to the Archives Office. (Details of your opening hours etc are to be found overleaf.) If this is not possible you may wish to contact a record agent who will undertake research for a fee. A list is enclosed for your attention.
Yours sincerely
A. Henstock
Principal Archivist.
Children of John Matlock and Margaret Assekem are:
7 i. Elizabeth3 Matlock, born 01 Jan 1586/87 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England. She married Robert Barrow 16 Feb 1615/16.
8 ii. Richard Matlock, born 03 Nov 1588 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England; died 28 Oct 1594 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England.
9 iii. Jane Matlock, born 06 Oct 1596 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England. She married Thomas Kelkeborne 16 Jul 1623.
10 iv. William Matlock, born 18 Nov 1597 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham England; died 18 Nov 1597 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham England.
11 v. Thomas Matlock, born 23 Mar 1598/99 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England; died 15 Aug 1604 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England.
12 vi. Dorothy Matlock, born 22 Jun 1600 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England; died 30 Jun 1602 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England.
+ 13 vii. George Matlocke, born 27 Apr 1606 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England; died 30 Dec 1658 in Burlington County, New Jersey.
Generation No. 3
13. George3 Matlocke (John2 Matlock, John1) was born 27 Apr 1606 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England, and died 30 Dec 1658 in Burlington County, New Jersey. He married Jane Hall 07 Nov 1636 in St. Giles Church, Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England, daughter of Edward Hall. She was born 15 Mar 1605/06 in St. Michael, Hawton, Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England, and died 19 Mar 1669/70 in Burlington County, New Jersey.
Notes for George Matlocke:
Note: George Matlocke is generally referred to as George Matlack.
Children of George Matlocke and Jane Hall are:
14 i. John Matlock4 Sr., born 09 Sep 1638 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England; died 16 Jan 1717/18 in New Kent County, Virginia. He married (1) Ann Moore South 12 May 1657 in South Muskum, Leicestershire, England; born 1640 in South Muskum, Leicestershire, England; died 23 Mar 1699/00 in St. Peters Parish, New Kent County, Virginia. He married (2) Margaret Kent 27 Apr 1701 in St Peters Parish, New Kent County, Virginia; born Unknown; died 1718 in New Kent County, Virginia.
Notes for John Matlock Sr.:
John was the first Matlock to arrive in America. Because of this, he is generally referred to as John Matlocke Sr.
While his date of birth is not known, records indicate that John Medlock was christened on 5 Sep 1638 in Cropwell Bishop, Nottingham, England. John's first wife is believed to have been Ann Moore South, born about 1640 in South Muskum, Leicestershire, England and died on 23 Mar 1699/1700 in St. Peters Parish, New Kent County, Virginia. John married a second time on 27 Apri 1701 to a lady that many believe was named Margaret Kent.
From the History of Bucks County Pennsylvaniam Chapter 11, Immigrants continue to arrive on the Delaware, 1679 - 1681, by W.W.H. Davis, AM, Democrat and Job Office Print, Doylestown, PA 1876 states: