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Title: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: Andy Harmer on Tuesday 31 January 12 11:27 GMT (UK)
Hi all

I have tried unsuccesfully to find out where Bradford-green is (or was) in Cheshire. I know it was a regular haunt of the Cheshire Hunt in the 19th century and it is likely to have been extensive heath, as there is a record of 18 adders being killed in a single day. I suspect it was north of Winsford as there is a number of bradford type references for here (next to what I assume was the 'broad ford' on the river) but have no evidence. Can anyone help?

Thanks

Andy
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 31 January 12 11:30 GMT (UK)
Possibly you are referring to Bradfield Green?

From Wikipedia:
Minshull Vernon is a hamlet and civil parish in the unitary authority of Cheshire East and the ceremonial county of Cheshire, England. The hamlet lies 3 miles (5 km) to the north west of Crewe, south east of Winsford and south west of Middlewich. The parish also includes the small settlements of Bradfield Green, Eardswick, Hoolgrave, Minshull Hill, Walley's Green and Weaver Bank.[2] The total population of the civil parish is somewhat over 200. Nearby villages include Church Minshull, Warmingham and Wimboldsley.

The River Weaver and the Middlewich branch of the Shropshire Union Canal run through the area.
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: Andy Harmer on Tuesday 31 January 12 13:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Kgarrad

Thanks for that.  The location Bradford-green is mentioned a number of times in the Chester Chronicle in the 19th century so I'm almost convinced it's a separate place and not a morph of Bradfield Green, but it's worth some investigating should I remain at a dead end.

I'm wondering if it has been subsumed into a town, swallowed up by a modern name so to speak... no evidence though :-\

Thanks

Andy
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: stanmapstone on Tuesday 31 January 12 13:39 GMT (UK)
North Cheshire Hounds. The meet yesterday was at Bradford Green. Manchester Evening News, Tue 22 Dec 1903. http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk. But there is no Bradford Green in http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/

Stan
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 31 January 12 14:02 GMT (UK)
The 1851 census (at least! not checked others yet) has an address of Bradford in Over.

HO107, 2166, 129, 3

Maybe it's a clue?!  ;D
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: stanmapstone on Tuesday 31 January 12 14:33 GMT (UK)
In that area are Bradford Wood Farm, Foxwist Green Farm, Foxes Green Farm, Gale Green Farm, Bostock Green and Marton Green

Stan
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: Andy Harmer on Wednesday 01 February 12 11:00 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your help folks but still no further forward.  It is astonishing how an obvious well known locality (if it was used as a hunt meeting place) can seemingly disappear in a hundred years!!  Further investigations methinks.

Andy
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: Daisypetal on Thursday 02 February 12 17:30 GMT (UK)

Hi,

How about contacting the Cheshire Hunt, they might know about the history....

http://www.thecheshirehunt.co.uk/


Regards,
Daisy
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: millymcb on Thursday 02 February 12 18:30 GMT (UK)
Another possibility...(or possibly the same one already mentioned)...

There's a Shurlach cum Bradford township in Davenham ancient parish - with a hamlet called Bradford
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/shurlach.html

Davenham is mentioned with ref to the Cheshire Hunt 1823 here...but not Shurlach or Bradford specifically

http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/gentry.html

Milly
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: Andy Harmer on Thursday 02 February 12 21:47 GMT (UK)
Ok   Those that can't tolerate the ramblings of an amateur historian switch off now..


The only Bradford type name I've got is the one that's north of Winsford and south of Rudheath. To the west of what I assumed was the broad ford is Bradford Mill.  Immediatly north west of the mill was an extensive area known as Vale Royal Park.  It isn't really shown on the cheshire tithe maps but you can see it clearly on the later ones.  This vast area was owned by non other than Lord Delamere who was a regular with the Cheshire Hounds (hunt) so it surely fits that he would use this vast open area for hunting ??  Large areas in this district was classed as wasteland; wasteland in Cheshire was often associated with very sandy soils because it was poor for arable; the sandpit in the vale royal park and numerous sand quarries (now) suggests this was similar.  Good adder habitat in lowland Cheshire is associated with bracken, gorse and heather ... all grow on sandy - usually acidic- soils.  I may be talking out of my hat but I'm confident that if Cheshire hunt gets back to me I'll be close... thanks everybody.

Andy

Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: historyanne on Tuesday 26 March 19 19:57 GMT (UK)
Hi

I was interested to read about a Bradford in Cheshire.  I had wrongly assumed that the Bradford in Manchester was originally in Cheshire but had got swallowed up by that city.

Can anyone tell me any more about the Cheshire Bradford?  Are there any more settlements in Cheshire called Bradford?

Thank you
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: suzie9 on Tuesday 26 March 19 21:36 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Havent heard of Bradford Green but there is a Bradfield Green on the A530 which is the road between Middlewich and Nantwich if this helps at all.
Title: Re: Bradford Green, Cheshire
Post by: historyanne on Tuesday 26 March 19 22:09 GMT (UK)
No, I think I was mistaken about Bradford Green, but I am looking for Bradfords.  There seems to be a Bradford east of Rudheath, and Bradford Wood north of Winsford, and I have heard of a Bradford Mill
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: stanmapstone on Tuesday 26 March 19 22:23 GMT (UK)
Bradford Mill map https://maps.nls.uk/view/114583948#zoom=4&lat=8980&lon=6589&layers=BT
Bradford Farm https://maps.nls.uk/view/114583267#zoom=4&lat=6551&lon=13723&layers=BT
Bradford House https://maps.nls.uk/view/101598847#zoom=4&lat=5531&lon=4036&layers=BT
Stan
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: historyanne on Wednesday 27 March 19 13:59 GMT (UK)
Thanks for these.  I have no Cheshire local history at all so comments on the below most welcome.

I have a suspicion two settlements called Bradford are involved.  One to the east of Rudheath [SJ 6873] and associated with Shurlach; the ford perhaps over (?through) the Wincham Brook.

The other is north of Winsford with Bradford Wood House and Farm [around ST6468] and Bradford Mill with the ford on the River Weaver.

The Bradford House to the east of Nether Alderley is not near any waterway shown on the 1 inch map [OS Landranger 118], so I wonder if perhaps it is associated with the Earls of Bradford who took their name from the Shropshire Hundred.

Anne
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: stanmapstone on Wednesday 27 March 19 15:05 GMT (UK)

I have a suspicion two settlements called Bradford are involved.  One to the east of Rudheath [SJ 6873] and associated with Shurlach; the ford perhaps over (?through) the Wincham Brook.



Bradford Farm https://maps.nls.uk/view/114583267#zoom=4&lat=6551&lon=13723&layers=BT is called Bradfield Farm on earlier maps. 1877 map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/368280/373062/12/100093 It is alongside the Trent and Mersey Canal, not Wincham Brook

 OS reference SJ682730 or full grid reference 368283, 373054
Side by Side https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=53.2541&lon=-2.4773&layers=168&right=BingHyb

The other is north of Winsford with Bradford Wood House and Farm [around ST6468] and Bradford Mill with the ford on the River Weaver.

Bradford Mill https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=53.2135&lon=-2.5346&layers=6&right=BingHyb
Grid Frefernce SJ647686

There is Wood Farm, also on the side by side, Grid Reference SJ640684, wich was renamed Bradford Wood Farm sometime after 1954.
On the 1965-71 map there are also Bradfordwood Cottages https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/368280/373062/12/100954https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/364039/368464/12/100954

I hope this information is of some use.

Stan
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: stanmapstone on Wednesday 27 March 19 18:50 GMT (UK)
There is another Bradfordwood at  https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/363691/367590/12/100954 now called Bradford Wood Farm
Side by Side https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=53.2045&lon=-2.5461&layers=6&right=BingHyb

Stan
Title: Re: Bradford-green, Cheshire
Post by: historyanne on Thursday 28 March 19 18:53 GMT (UK)
I suggested Wincham Brook as it was the only natural waterway I could see next to Braford/Bradfield Farm. I have no idea how the construction of the Trent & Mersey Canal affected local natural waterways

Earlier in this topic there was a query about Braford/Bradfield Green.  Perhaps the same has happened here, only in the reverse.

Thank you all for your comments and help.  Obviously the Bradfords of Cheshire need some more thorough investigation.

Anne