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The IGI has
Thomas Walton & Elizabeth Walton married 31/5/1806, Allendale.
Can anyone access the parish register & verify the marriage & full details.
Thanks in advance.
Jay
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Hi Jay,
Sorry this has taken so long to get a response. I couldn't locate the marriage on the microfilm where it was supposed to be - the index said 1805 - 1812 but they actually started in 1807.
However I did find the banns - Thos Walton of the parish of Alston and Elizabeth Walton of this parish - banns called April 27, May 4 and May 11 1806.
The parish reference doesn't mean they were born there - just living there for the past 3 weeks. There will be no parent detail on the marriage record but witnesses could have proved useful.
If they had any children between 1806 and 1813 then you are likely to get a lot more information from the baptismal records.
Christine
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Hi Jay,
Sorry this has taken so long to get a response. I couldn't locate the marriage on the microfilm where it was supposed to be - the index said 1805 - 1812 but they actually started in 1807.
I remember from when I have had occasion to consult the Allendale films that they are particularly badly out of order in this period but the information is there on one film or the other _ I couldn't look it up though as they have temporarily closed the FHC that I use to use (moved it to Kew for the time being)
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Thanks Christine for trying to find it. I'm really hoping to find some useful witnesses so I can work out if I'm following the right Walton's since the name seems to be as bad as Smith in Allendale & Alston!
Thanks for the info David, that's useful to know if I get to check the marriage myself.
Jay
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If Walton married Walton then maybe one of them will be right ;D
The 'missing' marriage should have been at the start of the reel. I'll have a look at the previous one next Wednesday - just in case 1805 and 1806 are tagged onto the end of the previous set of marriages.
Christine
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I don't have Allendale but I do have Alston Cumberland baptisms perhaps these are yours:
Hugh Walton bapt 28 Feb 1807 1st son of Thomas Walton, High Nest, Miner, by his wife Elizabeth d/o William Walton
William Walton baptised 20 May 1809 2nd son of Thomas Walton, Bridge End, Miner, NOTP, by his wife Elizabeth d/o Wm Walton
Mary Walton baptised 12 Sept 1811 1st daur of Thomas Walton, Bridge End, Miner, NOTP, by his wife Elizabeth d/o Wm Walton
Hope this helps, yes Walton's in the area are a dime a dozen ;D (have no idea of an English expression)
Janis
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Hi Janis!
The English expression is "six a penny", but I'm sure everyone understands " a dime a dozen"!
And Robsons are just as bad as Waltons!
Regards,
Hazel.
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I don't seem to have received a notification so sorry for the late reply.
Janis those are some of the possible children i've picked up on the IGI, thanks for the full details. They do help as i've picked up a likely baptism of an Elizabeth Walton at Allendale, father William Walton.
Christine would you be able to check out these two baptisms at Allendale? I think they are younger siblings of Elizabeth & hopefully, given the dates they might be some useful info re the parents.
Peggy Walton daughter of William Walton & Margaret Shaw bapt 7/12/1800, William Walton so of William Walton & Margaret Shaw bapt 8/1/1803.
Thanks
Jay
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Hi Jay
It won't be until Wednesday, I'm afraid but I've written them in my research book already.
Hopefully a bit more information will be forthcoming - so long as the records are where they're supposed to be on the microfilm!
Christine
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Thanks Christine.
Jay
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Hi Jay,
I’ve looked at Allendale PRs for the two baptisms. There’s a lot of information there but many of the records are so faded as to be impossible to read. Two words in both records were like this so I looked a bit further forward and found another sibling with unfaded detail so I can give you a full picture.
The children are - Peggy born 2 Dec. 1800, 3rd daughter; William born 19 (I think) Dec. 1802, 2nd son and Robert born 10 Mar. 1805, 3rd son to
William Walton, Water House, Shoemaker, native of Brough, Westmorland son of William and Isabella (other records say Isabel) late Trotter by his wife Margaret daughter of Roger Shaw and Ann, late Robson.
Hope this helps
Christine
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Hi Christine
That's great!
It confirms lots of things.
The marriage i've found of William Walton to Margaret Shaw in 1786
Baptism of Margaret Shaw the daughter of Roger Shaw in 1765
That the burial I have of a Roger Walton, son of William is the first son.
The only thing that doesn't tally is Peggy being the 3rd daughter, i've found 5 daughters before, Elizabeth 1787, Ann 1791, Barbara 1794 (Roger Shaw had a daughter Barbara), Isabella 1796 (who must be named after her grandmother) & Margaret 1798 (died Nov 1800). Will need to double check Elizabeth, Ann & Barbara are definately children of William Walton & Margaret Shaw, hopefully they will be as it's Elizabeth I descend from!
Thanks again for checking out those entries. Did you have any luck with The Walton Walton marriage? Not to worry if you didn't.
Cheers
Jay
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Hi Jay
I wouldn't be overly concerned about Peggy's ranking in the family - these records were badly faded so I could have been looking at what was left of a 6 (or an 8 for that matter!). I can check it again next time just to be sure.
Alas I didn't look for the marriage - the plain truth is that I didn't carry forward the details to yesterday's research page and simply forgot :-[
Next time ... (which won't be for a week or two but I'll write them in now)
Christine
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Hi Jay
Finally got back to Woodhorn today and can definitely say that 1806 marriages are not on either microfilm - they are a bit confusing as David said but that year is missing completely.
Despair not, however, as I have now seen the original book. :D The marriage was on 31st May 1806, bride and groom detail the same as on the banns. Witnesses were Ulrick Walton and John Armstrong.
I did seek a second opinion on Ulrick as it seemed a bit of an odd name to crop up in Allendale but at least it’s unusual enough to stand out if he’s one of yours!
Christine
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I did seek a second opinion on Ulrick as it seemed a bit of an odd name to crop up in Allendale .........
Its a very old name in the area and carried down from generation to generation in some families.
From memory its linked I think to the original owners of Whitfield Hall, but at the moment I can not find the website that gives a family tree and more information
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Interesting! Allendale isn't an area I need to research on a personal basis so I don't know much about it. If you find the link I'd love to know how they came to use that name.
Christine
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Um on checking the name at Whitfield is Utrick (as a first name) not sure if that is what later became Ulrick.
Will see if I can find the site I am looking for tomorrow
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Some baptisms of children of a Utrick Walton at the Redwing Chapel in Alston.
28 May 1817, Utrick, born 17 March 1817, son of Utrick Walton, Farmer, and Isabella Walton, late Dickenson, Spinster, of Farnberry.
30 Dec 1818, Esther, born 9 Dec 1818, daughter of Utrick Walton, Farmer, and Isabella Walton, late Dickenson, Spinster, of Farnberry.
Also John (1820), Isabella (1822), Esther (1823), Thomas (1825), Elizabeth (1827), Sarah (1829), Joseph (1831), same parents, fathers occupation and abode.
Also a burial of a Mary Walton, same Chapel, 18 May 1836, aged nearly 21 years, daughter of Utrick and Isabella Walton of Farnberry.
Alan.
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Um on checking the name at Whitfield is Utrick (as a first name) not sure if that is what later became Ulrick.
It could well have been Utrick, to be honest. That was my first thought but the second opinion thought Ulrick. There was no loop on the letter to indicate the letter L and no cross bar to indicate a T so if Utrick is the usual spelling then Utrick is what it would have been.
Hope that doesn't sound as confusing as it seemed when I typed it :-\
Christine
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Not having much luck finding the article i saw before.
The earliest I can find is Utrick Whitfield 1630? – 1685. He was High Sheriff of Northumberland in 1676 (many articles refer to him as Utrecht Whitfield). However I seem to recall the Utrick name goes back much further
He was the son and heir of Sir Matthew Whitfield of Whitfield, married Anne daughter of Sir John Eden.
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A double baptism at Alston, 12 Feb 1820.
Margaret and Utrick, daughter and son of Thomas (Miner) and Elizabeth Walton of High Nest.
The Utrick Walton, witness at the marriage in 1806, might be Thomas's father or brother.
Unfortunately Alston seems to be awash with Utrick Waltons. Familysearch has Utrick Walton marriages at Alston in 1809, 1813 and 1821 (might all be the same Utrick) and a burial aged 66 in 1812.
Alan.
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Just goes to show that sometimes it is no help at all having an unusual name ::)
Christine
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Thanks Christine for checking the marriage again. Utrick being a witness helps as the Thomas Walton i've been tracing back over has an uncle & brother of the same name. Lots more research to do as there's loads of Walton's in Alston but i'm further forward or back as it were on the Walton's after being stuck here for a few years.
Thanks again & thanks to Alan & David for the info.
Cheers
Jay
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The children are - Peggy born 2 Dec. 1800, 3rd daughter; William born 19 (I think) Dec. 1802, 2nd son and Robert born 10 Mar. 1805, 3rd son to
William Walton, Water House, Shoemaker, native of Brough, Westmorland son of William and Isabella (other records say Isabel) late Trotter by his wife Margaret daughter of Roger Shaw and Ann, late Robson.
A long shot to try and break down a brick wall ;D
My 3 x great grandfather Robson Walton [About 1808 - March 5th 1870] has place of birth as Newcastle on all Census returns. However his wife Mary Morpeth [1810 - 1891] was born in Allendale, where she and Robson married on February 4th 1830.
I have tried for many years to discover Robson's parents.
The register you mention states Robert Walton born 1805 whose mothers maiden name was Robson.
[Clutching at straws now ??? ]
Does it clearly state Robert or could it be a badly transcribed Robson in the register ?
Incidently Robson and Mary's first child, a daughter was named Isabella [1829 - 1849]
Jack
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Hi Jack
Apologies for not responding earlier but I've not been on the site recently. Also it's about a year since I looked at the Allendale records so I'd need to go back and look again.
I'll try to do this next week.
Christine
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Thank you so much for the reply.
I have been searching for Robson Walton's parentage for 14 years , ever since I began researching my family history!
I have tried 'experts'[ who charged a lot and generally just 'waffled] ::) 'and every other means under the sun - to no avail.
I am reluctant to go down the line of having an educated guess because, as we all know, that's opening the proverbial can of worms :-\.
If you could check the spelling I would be in your debt !
Jack
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Hi Jack
I checked out Robert Walton today and , sadly for you, it distinctly says Robert. So, although he married in Allendale he doesn’t appear to have been born there.
I suggest that you start a new topic on the main Northumberland board. Tell us what you already know about Robson and where you have looked - see what the resourceful folks on here can find.
Christine
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Christine
Thanks a lot for your sterling efforts.
I have now started a new topic regarding Robson and, who knows, maybe it may lead to breaking down a very old brick wall !
Jack
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Hi Jack
Just spotted your reply.
Just checked my file & Robert was buried in 1811 so that definitely rules him out as a possible for your Robson.
Cheers
Jay