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HI
looking for samuel evans shoemaker wife mary, daughter mary aged 6-7 years. 1844 when mary was born living penddol llangeler think this is a dwelling .
Does anyone know of a book written on the evan's of llangeler i sort of remember reading that a book had been written.
Theses Evan's of Llangeler are becoming difficult..... Mary Evans marries Samuel Evans 1835-1844 llangeler they have a daughter names her Mary Evans she on goes and marries Samuel Evans in Llangeler around 1864! :o
cheers cardiff
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Hi,
I can't help with the book, but have you got them in the 51 census?
I found them in the 1851 census, it's small population of an area so I didn't have much of a problem finding them.
Anyway, if you haven't got it, here it is:
House/street address Penddol (next door neighbour but one down the page there is house/street address which reads Penygraig, so that may help too, and further up is a house/street address called Danygraig)
Samuel Evans, head, age 34(or it could possibly be 36, there is a line going through the age - it looks like 34 to me), shoemaker, Born in Cardigan LLanw"""( can't make out the rest of the letters after "W")
Mary, wife, age 36, Carmarthenshire Llangeler
Mary, daugh, age 6, ditto
Daniel, son,age 4, ditto
Sarah, daug, age 2 , ditto
Evans or maybe Evan? ( it is written as Evans, perhaps they haven't named the baby yet and the enumerator wrote the Evans surname for his name, or perhaps it should be Evan and he added an S) , son, it's either 6 months or 6 weeks( hard to read) , ditto
John Evans , relationship to head is "App" , age 13, occupation apprentice, B Carmarthenshire somewhere, can't read where in Carmathenshire he was born, it's not LLangeler though, looks like it starts with either an M or a P, and ends with a ne
Source census of Llangeler, Ho107/2482 , parish registration district Kenarth 1 enumeration district 8a
Crown copyright.
Best wishes :)
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hi Cell
Thank you so much this is a great help I can see just a flinch of light at the end of the tunnel.
Do you have the 1861 census for this area....Any chance of looking up the same family 10years later That would be even more helpful.
Thank you once again.
cheers cardiff ;)
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Hi, no problem :)
1861:
living in the parish of Llangeler again
house address is different in 1861, it is something Bridge (bridge is the second word). First word is Allt(etoafais?) definitely - begins with Allt - the eafais in the word is just what it looks like and probably not spelled like that at all lol ;D. I don't know if I'm allowed to post the image of just the address to see if anyone else can make out this word , due to copyright issues of posting census images. (?) But if anyone else has the 61 census perhaps they can make out that word.
( 1851 must be wrong Birth place for him or the wrong one for his wife - as the 1861 one says it's his wife that was born in Cardigan and not him - It's "do" for him - the next door neighbour was born there, and the enumerator has written " do" for Samuel's birth place indicating he was born there too
Samuel Evans, head, 45, shoemaker, B Carmarthen Llangeler
Mary, wife, 48, shoemakers wife, B Cardigan ( can't make out where -looks like Llanarth to me)
Daniel, son, 14, shoemaker, B carmarthen Llangeler
Sarah, dau, 11, do daughter " "
Evans Evans , 9, do son, " "
Anne, dau, 7, do daughter, " "
Anna, dau, 6, do daughter, " "
Looks like Mary has moved out, perhaps she married before you thought, or it's probably more likely that she has gone into service like a lot of young women do at around that age 16, 17. If she is a maid/in service somewhere she'll be a bit hard to find when she is not with her family members to make the right connection - too many people called Mary Evan's about
source RG9/4180, folio 24 page 8
sub reg district Kenarth
reg district Newcastle In Emlyn
parish of Llangeler
crown copyright
1871 below - may sort the birth places out a bit, their ages keep altering by just a few years for the husband and wife :):
Samuel Evans, head,52, shoemaker (master), B Llangeller carmarthenshire
Mary, wife, 55, born Llanwenog cardiganshire
Evan (no S in this census), son, unmarried, age 20,shoemaker (journeyman), B Llangeller
Anna , daug, unmarried, 16, shoemakers daugh, B Llangeller
source Rg10/5543, folio 123, page 22
Civil parish Llangeller
Sub reg district Kenarth
reg district Newcastle in emlyn
crown copyright
village or hamlet wlad (?)
I can't make out the dwelling/house address in 71 but it's different again - it's not something Bridge like in 61, so looks if they have moved houses again. Henfeyn, Cenfeyn?? Haven't a clue what it says first letter could be a C or a H, or something completely different to that
Hope that is of some help :)
P.S also found Mary the wife in 1881 , she is widowed, born Llanwenog, Cardigan, living with her son Evan, and the next oldest daughter Sarah in Penbont ( this is a dwelling address) in Llangeler
The ref is RG11/5431 folio 21 ,page 4
If you search on the LDS to find her in this census , search for Mary 1816, b Cardiganshire, residence carmarthenshire,you'll find her.
When you look at this transcribed census on the LDS site it says Evan (shoemaker) is 39, ignore this age - On the actual image it is clearly written as age 29 for him -the LDS have mistranscribed his age ,the 2 as a 3. Sarah on the image has 34 written next to her, then the enumerator has crossed this out and has written 31 above the crossed out 34
Other than that ,what the LDS's have transcribed on their site is what it says on the image for 1881.
Also if you go to the previous household on the LDS site , where it has two heads both called John Jones - this is incorrect; The next door neighbours are just John Jones and Margaret ( the bottom two on that list) and it's an inn/pub called" Plaspark"" Inn" - the other 3 Jones above them on that Page are in a separate household just before the Jones in the "plaspark" " Inn ,the other Jones's dwelling is called Crosshands
So in 1881 your Evans are living next door to a pub which looks like it is called Plaspark""(it looks like two letters after the K- the word is a bit scribbled, but it could be just Plasparke as the dwellings up the road a bit are called parke). This may narrow it down to the exact location of their home if that pub is still there today.
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Well......
Cell what can I say what a trooper! ;D
Thank you so much for taking the time and making the effort.
Regarding Mary Evans daughter she married in 1866 to a Samuel Evans I have that marriage certificat.
I will now look up the 1881 census and track them down, and look into the place names you have given me. Having been to llangeler there is no pub there today , but the church still stands proud and the Evans family all buried in the church yard.
Yet again thank you so much.
cheers cardiff
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No problem.
Have you looked at the map of Llangeler on old maps site , there is a pen-y- graig on the map right at the bottom of the image ( in 51 their near neighbours were in penygraig, can't see a Danygraig on there though - their other neighbours. They were sandwiched in between these two places in 51 when they were listed as in a dwelling/place called Penddol)
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/gazetteer/10carma451/10carma451gazL.htm
:)
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Hi Cell
Thanks for the web site... and your input
cheers cardiff
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Does anyone know of a book written on the evan's of llangeler i sort of remember reading that a book had been written.
Three books about Llangeler, but don't know about any books about Evans and Llangeler.
1. REES, James Derfel. Gwrando’r gair. Hanes eglwys annibynnol Siloh, Llangeler a rhai pregethau. [With plates, includ 1945 4716.aa.5.
2. JONES, David, Hanes Eglwys Annibynol Saron, Llangeler. [With plates.] 1937 4716.a.39.
3. JONES, Daniel E., Hanes plwyfi Llangeler a Phenboyr; traethawd buddugol yn Eisteddfod Drefach-a-Felindre, Awst 18,
Lyndon
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Hiya,
I'm new to Rootsweb - even though not new to researching my family. Please let me know if you are still looking for any information on the Evans' of Llangeler. I am a 3x great grand-daughter to Samuel & Mary Evans from Llangeler.
Samuel EVANS b. 1817 d. 1878 and Mary (nee EVANS) b. 1815 d. 1885 (married 28th Dec 1841) Mary's address at time of marriage was Pen-y-ddol and Samuel Evans was Wynllan, both places in the parish of Llangeler. Mary's father was shown as Evan Evans , Labourer and Samuel's father as Benjamin Evans, also labourer. (1841 census shows that Evan & Anne Evans were living in Tycam; and Benjamin & Sarah Evans were living in Winllan both places in Llangeler). Samuel and Mary were still in the Penddol area of Llangeler in 1851, but they had moved to Penpont Alltcafan by 1861; Their daughter:
Mary b.1845 d. 8th Mar 1924 (married on 12 Feb 1866 to) Samuel EVANS b.1845 d. 30th Jun1923 (his parents were Daniel & Martha Evans and in 1841 lived in Cwmcerrig area of Llangeler).
Mary & Samuel (b.1845) lived at Blaenllain, Llangeler and at that time Samuel was a gardener and was also a Sexton at Llangeler Church). Their son
Evan Evans b.1871 (married 25th Jun 1889) Sarah (nee JAMES) b.1872
(her parents were David JAMES & Anne (nee JONES) of Typoeth, Llangeler)
Evan & Sarah EVANS' daughter Annie Mary Evans married James JONES in 1915 and they were my granparents.
PS - Plasparke (the pub) is in Pentrecwrt or Pentrecourt as the old spelling - (which is in the Llangeler parish but about a mile or so from Llangeler itself)
Does this mean you are related to me and the hundreds of EVANS', JONES', JAMES' & STEPHENS' and a lot of other common welsh surnames?
With best wishes
;D
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Hi
I have not looked at the Evans Family in a while so please bare with me.
Will contact you again when I have digested your info and my own.
Lets hope there is a connection.
There are so many Evans 's in that area I am sure we will be somewhere alomg the line.
cheers cardiff ;)
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Hi
Had a quick look yes I believe there is a connection. have to go out now so will give info when I can.
cheers cardiff ;)
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Hi,
How exciting - I look forward to hearing from you. In the meantime the following may be of use:
Samuel EVANS b.1845 died on Jun 30th,1923 (I have the funeral report from paper for this)
The EVANS family of Samuel (b.1845) & Mary (b.1845) (my great great grandparents) were:
Mary EVANS b.1867 d. 1931 m. William HINDLE; (in 1923 they lived in Tumble);
Daniel EVANS b.1870; (in 1923 living in Newcastle Emlyn with his wife);
Evan EVANS b.1871 (my great grandfather - see below); (in 1923 living at Bwlchmelyn, Pentrecwrt);
Martha EVANS b.1873 d.1896;
James EVANS b.1874 d.1875 (aged 3 months);
Anne EVANS b.1876 d. 24 April 1923;
Thomas EVANS b.1878; (in 1923 living in Trehafod, Nr Pontypridd);
Samuel EVANS b.1880 d.1918 France in WW1; (Age on headstone is 28 & should read 38);
Sarah J EVANS b.1883; (in 1923 still single and living at home at Blaenllain, Llangeler);
David J EVANS b.1886; (in 1923 living in Trehafod, Nr Pontypridd with his wife); and
Benjamin EVANS b.1888 (in 1923 living in Trefforest with his wife)
My great grand-parents
Evan EVANS (b.1871) married Sarah JAMES, and their family were as follows:
David EVANS b.1890 married in 1911 to Margaretta LEWIS;
Mary EVANS b.Oct 1891 d. Nov 1891 (at 3 weeks old);
Samuel EVANS b.1893 married in 1918 to Blodwen LEWIS;
Annie Mary EVANS b.1895 married in 1915 to James JONES (my grandparents);
Martha EVANS b.1898 married in 1916 -1. Dai (David) JENKINS 2. Ben Davies in 1924;
John EVANS b.1900 married in 1918 to Mary PHILLIPS;
Henry James EVANS b.1904 married in 1924 to Hannah Mary DAVIES;
Sarah Jane EVANS b.1907 married in 1934 to Llewelyn JONES;
Evan Thomas EVANS b.1910 (married 1928/30?) to Alice HEAD;
Megan Eluned EVANS b.1913 d.1930 aged 16 (I have the funeral report for this)
I do hope you make sense of the above
Happy reading & best wishes
;D
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Hi alltcafan
Just reading your reply very quickly..
Benjamin Evans b1888 actual date 06:04:1887 Cefnuchaf is my husbands grandfather. so there is a connection.
Will send you an e-mail
cheers cardiff :) ;) :D ;D
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I have information on David Evans, the brother of Alltcafan's ancestor Samuel Evans (1845-1923) if he/she is interested.
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Hi Lloyd
thanks for your input, we do have info on samuel evans, but please let us have your info always good to compare.
cheers cardiff ;)
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Lloyd,
It would be great to receive more information on David Evans and his family. Even though I do have quite a lot of information on various relatives I have very little on David.
Thanks, Alltcafan ;D
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David Evans born 10 Jul 1835 in Llangeler married (1) Mary Davies, daughter of David Davies of Godrecynnen, Newchurch, Carmarthenshire on 24 May 1859 and they had three children; Mary died 15 May 1864 and he married (2) her sister Margaret on 8 Oct 1864, and they had eleven children. From the 1860s until 1881 he farmed at Godrecynnen and then all the family, except one daughter from his first marriage, emigrated to USA and settled in Dawn, Livingston County, Missouri, a settlement which included many emigrant Welsh people. David M. Evans (as he was known in USA) died 12 Jul 1895 and Margaret died 2 Nov 1919. There are many descendants of this family in USA.
David Evans's sister Sarah (Sally) born March 1848 emigrated at the same time and settled in Dawn where she married and had three children. She died there 26 July 1910.
David Evans's brother James Evans born 16 Oct 1851 also emigrated at the same time. He moved from Dawn to Texas soon afterwards and some years later (before 1900) he settled in Downey, Los Angeles County, California, where he had a farm. James Daniel Evans, as he was known in USA, died there 17 Sep 1940. He married (in Wales), and had several children.
The father Daniel Evans married Martha Jones on 30 Dec 1834 and they lived at Cwmcerrig, Llangeler. They had several children: David M. Evans (1835) (above), John Evans (1836), Rachel (1838), Thomas (1840), Evan (1843), Samuel (1845), Sarah (1848) (above), James Daniel (1851) (above) and Daniel (1855). Martha died 8 Jun 1865 and Daniel remarried in 1870 to Dinah James and he died at Penrhiw, Llangeler 19 Nov 1896. His gravestone is in Llangeler churchyard. The certificate for his second marriage gave his father's name as Daniel Evans.
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Hi,
How exciting - I look forward to hearing from you. In the meantime the following may be of use:
Samuel EVANS b.1845 died on Jun 30th,1923 (I have the funeral report from paper for this)
The EVANS family of Samuel (b.1845) & Mary (b.1845) (my great great grandparents) were:
Mary EVANS b.1867 d. 1931 m. William HINDLE; (in 1923 they lived in Tumble);
Daniel EVANS b.1870; (in 1923 living in Newcastle Emlyn with his wife);
Evan EVANS b.1871 (my great grandfather - see below); (in 1923 living at Bwlchmelyn, Pentrecwrt);
Martha EVANS b.1873 d.1896;
James EVANS b.1874 d.1875 (aged 3 months);
Anne EVANS b.1876 d. 24 April 1923;
Thomas EVANS b.1878; (in 1923 living in Trehafod, Nr Pontypridd);
Samuel EVANS b.1880 d.1918 France in WW1; (Age on headstone is 28 & should read 38);
Sarah J EVANS b.1883; (in 1923 still single and living at home at Blaenllain, Llangeler);
David J EVANS b.1886; (in 1923 living in Trehafod, Nr Pontypridd with his wife); and
Benjamin EVANS b.1888 (in 1923 living in Trefforest with his wife)
Hello everyone - wow!
I am almost absolutely certain that this is my sister-in-law's family!
She gave me the details and I promised to research - only to draw a blank - but we have all the right names and places and the Samuel who died in WWI and all sorts!
So exciting! :o :D
Can I ask how you know about the 1923 details?* Would love to know whether David John EVANS wife is Rachel JONES according to your records? They should have children Eleanor and Martha.
Did the Samuel d WWI marry an Elizabeth?
Feel free to reply by PM if you prefer, as this is getting towards the realms of living people.
Many thanks, Arranroots ;)
* Edit - realised that this is from the funeral report, so probably no wives named - drat!
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Hi Arranroot
How amazing
My connection is Benjamin Evans- Husbands Grandfather, Allcafan' connection is the other brother Evan Evans.
Both of us have Grave info of Samuel and family also obits from newspapers.
cheers cardiff ;D
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Hi
Not sure on the surname of Rachel Alltcafan I believe has more info on the brothers than me. I have e-mailed her earlier so if she contacts me before looking on the site I will tell her.
cheers cardiff ;)
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Thanks Cardiff!
I have been looking at this thread since you started it - but was aware of the number of EVANS families in Llangeler and wary of making a fool of myself, lol!
The details of the family are so good that I am much more confident now.
I can't wait to tell s-i-l the news!
A ;)
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I am related to David Evans. David Evans>John Evans> Thomas Evans> Mary Shackelford (Evans) > Margaret Bachman (Shackelford)> Me-USA
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat :)
How exciting that you have found this connection with a Welsh Evans family :D
Please can you modify your post to remove the names of people who may be still living as we are not allowed to mention them to protect against things like identity theft.
You will be able to use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging such personal data, but must first make at least three postings.
See Help-Page: http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
If you reply to this thread twice that will enable PM system for you :)
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Thank you for your message. I have left all the other's names intact since they are no longer with us.
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Welcome Marbach!
I am only linked to this thread by marriage, but I am sure the others will be along shortly and they will be happy to hear from you!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Dear Marbach52,
I have a photograph of Daniel & Martha Evans' gravestone at Llangeler Church. The transcription on it is in Welsh, but I have translated it as well. If you wish I can send you this by PM (as long as you respond to this post - so you have made your 3rd posting). I'm sure that I'll have some other information for you as well.
Regards, Alltcafan :)
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That's great. I'll figure out how to look at your attachment.
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I don't know what a "PL" is.
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Is PM personal message? (not PL)
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Hi Marbach
Yes - should have read PM rather than PL. You should have enough posts now to receive and send Personal Messages - enjoy!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Don't know how to send or receive an image(http://)
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Don't know how to send or receive an image(http://)
In order to correspond, you will have to exchange email addresses by PM - it is quite safe in this case, as I know from receiving the same information from the same generous person in the past! Recommended!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)