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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: craggagh on Sunday 29 January 12 18:32 GMT (UK)
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The sister of one of my maternal greatgrandmothers married James O'Dowda in 1890 and, after his death in 1891, she married his brother David O'Dowda in 1893.
I have established that their parents were David O'Dowda and Emma Sidney who were married at the Pro Cathedral in 1846 and that witnesses at their wedding were Thaddeus O'Dowda and Maria Sidney.
I believe that David and Thaddeus were brothers, sons of Thaddeus O'Dowda and Ellen White, but is there any way that I can ascertain this?
Any help with this would be much appreciated.
craggagh.
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I believe that David and Thaddeus were brothers, sons of Thaddeus O'Dowda and Ellen White, but is there any way that I can ascertain this?
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have you checked for a possible marriage for Thaddeus to see his father's name (and possibly mothers name if it's a parish record in St. Mary's) ?
another option might be, to locate David and Thaddeus on the census returns to verify is they have they same county of birth, and maybe follow up by checking for their births or baptisms to see if they have the same parents.
Shane
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Thanks for the reply.
I haven't been able to come up with a marriage for Thaddeus as yet, but I have found that there does seem to be a Mayo connection. With regard to the census, I hadn't really thought of that - I assumed he may well have died by 1901.
Thanks again.
craggagh.
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I misread your dates and maybe there's more than one David here ? I focused on the 1893 marriage rather than the much earlier David and Thaddeus.
Many of the earlier records dont give much details - so I'm not sure you will see even father's name on a c1840s marriage
Shane
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...With regard to the census, I hadn't really thought of that - I assumed he may well have died by 1901.
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the census idea might be worth a try, but as you said a long time after an 1840s marriage...
here's a link to that O'Dowda / Sidney marriage (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/35a25d0051713)
unfortunately no father's name or address
I'd say it's quite likely that Thaddeus is some sort of relative ... just what type is the question
Shane
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Thanks for that.
That's where I found the marriage, but, unlike the later marriage of his son David, which is a mine of information, this tells me a lot less. I'll just have to keep digging.
Your interest and help is much appreciated.
craggagh.
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Hello,
this seems to confirm what you have written re Thaddeus and Ellen and their children
O'Dowda (http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/john-ohart/irish-pedigrees-or-the-origin-and-stem-of-the-irish-nation-volume-2-rah/page-42-irish-pedigrees-or-the-origin-and-stem-of-the-irish-nation-volume-2-rah.shtml)
heywood
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The link to the e book mentions Dr James Vippler O' Dowda as a son of Thadeus. That name then links with the Bonniconlon family (just a quick internet search).
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Thank you for the link, it is very interesting.
I had found the family of Thaddeus O'Dowda and and Ellen White in "The Genealogies, Tribes, and Customs of Hy-Fiachrach : Commonly Called O'Dowda's Country", but I wanted to be certain that the David who married Emma Sidney and Thaddeus, one of the witnesses, were brothers, as seems possible or even probable. I know James Vippler would be another brother if this were the case and this would open up a whole new area.
Thanks again for your help.
craggagh.
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Just thought you may be interested in this History.
In 1656 TheseDominic O'Dowda was granted 1500 acres in Kilgarvan Parish. These lands passed to David O'Dowda and then to Thady. [Thaddeus] Members of the family fought in rimattle of Aughrim
and were noted Catholic Gaelic Gentry. who had there own court poet.One Eoghan Ui Ghabhainn often graced O'Dowdastown with verse.
The best known of this landed gentry was James Baron O'Dowda who improved the Bonniconlon estate; and led the tenants in the up-rising of 1798. He was hanged in Ballinamuck. His son, Thady
was the last of the Bonniconlon landlords. He provided the site for the first Bonniconlon National School in 1843. His generosity and leniency during the great Famine led to his bankruptcy. The house was sold under the Encumbered Estates Act of 1849.It was sold to Charles Downing in 1854.
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