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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: jard on Friday 27 January 12 15:59 GMT (UK)
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Any info. at all please on Lucy Taylor, born in 1885 in the Loddon district.
I believe her mothers name was Constance but not sure of her farther's name. Lucy was one of 22 children.
She moved to Erith in Kent, where she married and became Lucy Martin .
She died in Eastbourne in 1985
Any info at all would help.
Jard
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Hi,
Did Lucy have middle names??
And was she born 1886 - not 1885???
These are the only BMD's I can find which seem to fit???
Birth reg freeBMD
Lucy Mary A Taylor
Dec qtr 1886
Lodden
4b 223
Marriage reg
Lucy mary A Taylor
Edward batchelar Martin
Dec qtr 1908
Maidstone
kent
2a 1629
Death reg
Lucy Mary A Martin
born 3 Oct 1886
death reg Oct 1985
age 99
Eastbourne
18 622
Suz
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If I have the correct Lucy
then this is possibly the birth and death reg of her husband???
Birth reg
Edward batchelor Martin
Mar qtr 1885
Maidstone Kent
2a 747
Death reg
Edward B Martin
Dec qtr 1963
age 78
Dartford
Kent
5b 422
Suz
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What is the source of your information, jard?
Have you got her birth cert, or found her on any censuses?
I cant see anyone fitting the bill on 1891 census.
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Hi
The 1901 census has a 14 year old Lucy Taylor born Norfolk Norton which could be Norton Subcourse which is in the Loddon registration district.
Found this baptism in Norton
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14265-19897-55?cc=1823613&wc=9020493
regards
yokel
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hi,
There is a marriage Loddon in JAS 1879
Edward Taylor
Elizabeth Curtis Constance
4b 331
In 1891 the two appear with quite a few children including a Lucy Taylor in Norton Subcourse.
RG12/1540 93/8
Cathy
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The 1881 census has
Census Place: Thurlton, Norfolk, England
PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1962 Folio 142 Page 14
Edward TAYLOR 40 Head Carpenter, Norton
Elizabeth TAYLOR 29 Wife Heckingham
Edward TAYLOR 3 Son Thurlton
Walter TAYLOR 2 Son Thurlton
Seclenar TAYLOR 1 Dau Thurlton
Minnia TAYLOR 2 m Dau Thurlton
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Death Index (Lucy Mary A Martin 1885 Eastbourne) gives her birthdate as 3rd October 1886.
Cathy
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Lucy Mary Ann Taylor b Oct 1886 is indeed the one.
She married Edward Batchelor Martin in 1908.
I now know her parents, Edward Taylor and Elizabeth Curtis Constance...thank you.
My information originaly came from the lady herself, quite a long while ago now, before she died. She was reluctant to say much at all at the time, and the family knowledge of her side is quite limited.
She claimed she was one of about 22 children !! but her family know very little about them and nothing at all of her life, something I'm trying to change. Every piece of info I can get will help to do this. She has one remaining living child who is anxious to know something of her mothers life.
Jard
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Possibly Lucy Mary A was one of 22 children - but I think many of them may have died in infancy???
1881 census ( it has been posted previously)
Norton S Norfolk
Eedward Taylor Head M 40 Carpenter Norton Norfolk
Elizabeth wife 29 Heckingham Norfolk
Edward son 3 Thurlton
Walter son 2 ditto
Seclenar daughter 1 (should be Selina!) Thurlton
Minnie daughter 2mths Thurlton
RG11 1962 142 14
It seems as Edward and Elizabeth did not marry until Dec qtr 1879- so the 2 eldest children were registered in the surname Constance
Birth reg FreeBMD
Edward Constance Sept qtr loddon 4b 331
Birth reg
Walter William F Constance Sept qtr 1878 Loddon 4b 210
Birth reg
Selina Susannah Taylor Mar qtr 1880 Loddon 4b 28
Birth reg
Minnie Anna M Taylor Mar qtr 1881 Loddon 4b 227
1891
Norton St Norfolk
Edward Taylor Head M 51 Carpenter Norton Norfolk
Elizabeth wife 41 Haddiscoe Norfolk
Edward son 13 Thurlton
Walter son 12 Thurlton
Selina daughter 11 Thurlton
Minnie daughter 10 Thurlton
Agatha daughter 8 Thurlton
Lucy daughter 7 Norton
Millicent daughter 1mth Norton
Lilly daughter 1 mth Norton
RG12 1540 93 8
Birth reg FreeBMD
Agatha Charlotte Taylor Sept qtr 1884 Loddon 4b 222
Birth reg
Lucy mary A Taylor Dec qtr 1881 Loddon 4b 220
Birth reg's FreeBMD
Millicent Elizabeth Taylor
Millie Maud Taylor
Millie Martha Taylor
all Jun qtr 1891 Loddon 4b 226
Possibly Millie Martha and Millie Maud have been mistrancribed - possibly they are one person Lilly Martha - later named Lillian??
Millicent Elizabeth and Lilly Maud were twins
both died in infancy
Death reg
Lillian Martha Taylor age 2 Mar qtr 1893 Loddon 4b 154
Millicent Elizabeth taylor age 2 Mar qtr 1893 4b 154
1901
Norton St Norton Subcourse Norfolk
Elizabeth taylor Head widow 49 carpenter's widow Haddiscoe Norfolk
Millicent daughter 7 Norton Subcourse
Sybil granddaughter age 1 Heckingham Norfolk
RG13 1857 27 6
Birth reg FreeBMD
Millicent Constance Taylor Sept qtr 1893 Loddon 4b 218
I'll see what else I can find
Suz
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..... and possibly this is the marriage of Minnie Anna M Taylor
Marriage reg
Mar qtr 1911 Yarmouth 4b 32
on same page Minnie A M Taylor John Easter
Death reg
Minnie A M Easter age 44 Jun qtr 1925 Loddon 4b 216
Suz
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....and baptism
IGI extracted
Agatha Charlotte Taylor
born 26 July 1884
baptised 1 Mar 1891 Norton Subcourse
parents Edward & Elizabeth Curtis Taylor
Possible marriage reg
Jun qtr 1907 Yarmouth 4b 40
on same page Agatha Charlotte Taylor Frederick Andrew Feuell
Death reg
Agatha Charlotte Feuell born 26 July 1884 Death reg Sept 1970 age 86 Yarmouth 4b 1251
Death reg
Frederick Andrew Feuell born 3 Oct 1883 death reg Mar 1970 age 86 Yarmouth 4b 1770
Suz
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Thank you so much Suz.
I have a much better picture now of their lives which must have been really something with all those children.
As the 1901 census only shows Elizabeth at Norton St with daughter Millicent and grand daughter Sybil, there must have been some traumatic times in that household between 1891 and 1901.
Look forward to the next chapter ( if you find one . :)
Regards
Jard
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this looks like Edward's death reg
FreeBMD
Edward taylor
age 61
Dec qtr 1900
Loddon
4b 121
so it seems Elizabeth was widowed not too long before 1901 census
this looks like granddaughter's birth reg
Sybil Florence Taylor Jun qtr 1900 Loddon 4b 211
and her marriage reg
Sybil Florence Taylor
Frederick W Keys
Jun qtr 1922 St George Hanover Square 1a 1039
and her death reg
Sybil Florence Keys age 77 Mar qtr 1978 Shepway kent 16 1805
but I don't know who her parents were???
Suz
Suz
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....and I know the ref has been given for Lucy in 1901 -but here are fuller details
1901
9 Queen St Gt Yarmouth Norfolk
George Johnson Head M 50 Police Officer Martham Norfolk
Eliza wife 46 Stokesby Norfolk
Charles son U 19 vetinary surgeon's clerk Gorleston Suffolk
Lucy Taylor servant 14 Norton Norfolk
RG13 1809 7 5
By 1901 Lucy's father had died and only 1 daughter was home with Elizabeth - not unusual -as maybe the others were married -or in service -as Lucy was.
If you look at 1881 census at familysearch you will notice Taylor families living next door (both sides) to Edward and Elizabeth-maybe they had family close
I am tring to find what happened to the other children?
I wonder if Edward and Walter William F used the surname Constance or Taylor ???
I know they are entered on census as "Taylor"
Wonder if Edward was their father ??
Will try to find out more later
Suz
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Thanks again Suz. You've got me real hooked now :) It's turning into a drama of sorts.......
One of the few things Lucy actually told us ws that she ws moved to London aged 12 ?? That was obviously not the case ( however, she was in her 90's when she said it !)
She couldn't have moved on her own steam, and working for a police officer could have given her the move if he was transfered
I will look at that 1881 census as you suggest and maybe something will ring a bell
Jard
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One of the few things Lucy actually told us ws that she ws moved to London aged 12 ?? That was obviously not the case ( however, she was in her 90's when she said it !)
She couldn't have moved on her own steam, and working for a police officer could have given her the move if he was transfered
It is quite possible Lucy moved to London at the age of 12 -it was not unusual for girls of that young age to be "in service" - she was back home age 14 - but she coushe could have changed employers and stayed in the london area.
Suz
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I have information on the family of Lucy's mother : Elizabeth Curtis Constance
Birth reg FreeBMD
Elizabeth Curtis Constance
Sept qtr 1852
Loddon
4b 179
Death reg FreeBMD
Elizabeth c Taylor
age 56
Jun qtr 1913
Risbridge
Suffolk
4a 807
1871
By Peddlars Lane Haddiscoe
Charles Constance Head U 44 ag lab Haddiscoe
Edward Constance brother U 34 Haddiscoe
ELIZABETH C CONSTANCE neice U 18 Haddiscoe
Charlotte Bowen Housekeeper U 42 Norton
RG10 1830 70 7
1861
Peddlars lane haddiscoe
Charles Constance Head U 42 ag lab Thurlton
Edmund Constance brother U 26 ag lab Thurlton
Samuel Constance nephew 14 F.S. Haddiscoe
ELIZABETH CONSTANCE neice 8 scholar Heckingham
Charlotte Bowen servant U 34 Housekeeper Norton
RG9 1228 75 15
1851
Scrambles Acre Haddiscoe
Edward Constance Head M 58 ag lab Thulton
Martha wife 52 Denton
Mary daughter 25
Joseph son U22 ag lab
William son u19 ag lab
Edward son 15
James son 14
George G grandson 6
Samuel grandson 5
Charlotte Bowen visitor U 26 Norton
children b Haddiscoe
HO107 1820 51 21
1841
Scramble Acre haddiscoe
Edward Constance 50 ag lab Y
Martha 40 N
Mary 15 Y
Elizabeth 15Y
Joseph 12 Y
William 8 Y
Martha 7 Y
Edward 7 Y
James 5 Y
HO107 756 8 1 11
Suz