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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: DudleyWinchurch on Friday 27 January 12 15:21 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace a couple of nineteenth century Dublin policemen and wondered if all police serving in Dublin would be attached to the DMP force or whether it was possible that I should be looking among RIC lists too.
One of them, Edward O'Malley, is described as policeman on his burial record at Glasnevin in 1874 (with a Dublin address) and the other, Peter O'Malley, had an address of Constabulary Depot, Phoenix Park when witnessing what may (or may not) be the same Edward's marriage in 1866.
It is possible that the name of the second is not Peter as the latinized version looks like "Petrus" in the register entry but the first letter is rather ambiguous.
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In 1870 Slater's lists an R.I.C. depot in the Phoenix Park, and also primary headquarters for both R.I.C. and D.M.P at Lower Castle Yard. I think the overall headquarters and administration possibly covered both organizations... so suppose there could have been civilians, D.M.P. and R.I.C. men involved there
D.M.P. covered mostly the city but also some areas to the south east county out to about Kingstown/Dún Laoghaire. R.I.C. covered the rest of the county. These are the D.M.P. Divisions and the station houses as of 1889 :
A - Newmarket/Kevin St./Kilmainham/Chancery Lane
B - College St./Lad Lane/Clarendon St.
C - Summerhill/Store St.
D - Green St./Mountjoy/Bridewell Lane
E - Irishtown/Rathmines/Donnybrook/Terenure
F - Dalkey/Kingstown/Blackrock/Booterstown/Kill O'Grange
Shane
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found a list of the Co. Dublin R.I.C. stations - some were quite close to the City - so if Edward lived near one of these, and was still serving at the time of his death, he could have been R.I.C. e.g. :
Clontarf, Coolock
Drumcondra, Finglas, Howth
Raheny, Santry
Shane
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Thanks Shane,
It does look like I need to widen my search to include RIC then.
I'm still trying to find more information on the Kilmainham station but neither Edward nor Peter seem to be on the DMP lists and we're not 100% sure whether the Edward buried at Glasnevin is the same Edward (who must have died around that time, as his wife remarried as a widow a few years later) or another one, as he seems to be interred in someone else's family grave.
Sheila
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Are you sure Peter was in the police ?
I've come across people with address in a barracks that were not police or army. Two examples I remember were a gunsmiths, and a saddle maker
Shane
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Not at all certain (and also, as I mentioned above not even certain of his name) but he appears as witness to Edward's marriage and Edward seems to be a brother of the Martin and John O'Malley that I have discussed before in a thread about Dublin Police started by someone else. Clearly he may not even be related and I can't make a positive identification with any other records for a Peter O'Malley. He doesn't appear to have married or died in the Dublin area either so possibly emigrated. Martin moved to England around 1880 as did another brother William, where they became ironworkers.
The Edward buried at Glasnevin was definitely listed as a policeman on his burial record.
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I'm hoping to get the civil records for the marriage of Edward, and another brother Michael, on my next trip to Dublin to check out their occupations, but that wouldn't give me more information on the witnesses.
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for reference the full list of the Dublin R.I.C. station houses in the 1880s :
| Balbriggan | Drumcondra | Rathcoole |
| Baldoyle | Dundrum | Rathfarnham |
| Ballybough | Finglas | Rockbrook |
| Ballybrack | Garristown | Rollestown |
| Ballyhohill | Glancullen | Rush |
| Blanchardstown | Glasnevin | Santry |
| Brittas | Hollywood | Skerries |
| Cabinteely | Howth | St. Laurence |
| Clondalkin | Lucan | Stepaside |
| Clontarf | Lusk | Swords |
| Coolock | Malahide | Tallaght |
| Corballis | Naul | Tillytown |
| Donabate | Raheny | Ward |
Shane
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Thanks again Shane,
Do any of these stations (DMP or RIC) that still exist have any historical information (books or even plaques) still there? Or would that now all be at the National Archives, Dublin or Kew?
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As I was typing that out I spotted that many of the locations are now active Garda stations... or at least on the same streets. I'm not sure where the actual service records ended up - possibly the National Archive either here or in Kew ? If anything else was preserved I'd say it was kept with those..
The general Herlihy books (i.e. not the index ones) are definitely worth a read for further information on the DMP and RIC and the stations.
Shane
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Try the Garda Museum in Dublin Castle, link below. You can write to them but I find it much quicker to visit if you are able.
http://www.policehistory.utvinternet.com/museum.html
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Thanks for the link IrishMedals.
I will certainly try to get to the museum on my next trip. Oddly, I went there a few years ago just to look around the castle buildings but did not know about the police connection at that time and didn't spot that the Garda Museum was there.
Before I go there, I think maybe I ought to check out whether William and Michael were possibly ever in the police too.
Makes me wonder if other O'Malley police were related too - perhaps cousins?