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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: TOM1972 on Thursday 26 January 12 14:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi Folks,
I have looked at 2 maps of Miles Platting, one dated 1922, and another 1892. There used to be a small street which ran between Barwick Street, and Lodge Street, Miles Platting. It is shown on the 1922 map, but as its only a short street, there is no name printed on it! Grrr!
Any old locals out there have any idea of the name, or if anyone has a map with the name of the missing street, I would be grateful if you could let me know what it was called.
Thanks in anticipation,
Tom.
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Hi Tom, looking at address search on 1891census, needs confirmation, could it be Sheridan Street?
Keyboard86
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Thanks for that Keyboard86,
I seem to think that too, Sheridan St ran between Barwick St, and Lodge St. Strangely enough, there is another little street off that, which runs from "Sheridan St" to Coglan St, but there is no name on that either, apparently it only had a short name too!
These mysteries eh!
Thanks,
Tom.
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Hi,
There is a name on my 1950s A-Z that looks like Abingdon St?
Long name, short street! Can you find an Abingdon on the census? Sometimes they changed street names just to fool us...
:) Barbara
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If your looking on the census, might be worth checking what is near these ?
Brawick street to Malton street and the other way to Coolan street.
Lodge street runs to the same both ways as above, with just one missing street inbetween. If you can follow that?
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1950's A-Z!!!!!
That must be worth a bob or two now, all the recent ones Iv bought fell to bits within a couple of years! lol. It is quite possible, as I cant find Abingdon Street on my maps. My Dad's family used to live around the area, Ollerton St, Hayden St, Baguley St etc. Just noticed your researching the surname BERRY! That's our surname too! Small world eh!
Thanks,
Tom.
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Hi Derek Del,
Thats one of the 2 tricky Streets, that one runs parallel with Barwick Street, and meets Coglan St, and there is another which runs down from Barwick Street down to Lodge St. The second one we think is Sheridan St, I wish I could see BarbaraH's A-Z with my own eyes, she's been good looking at it for me.
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Hi again Tom, did same exercise with Coglan Street, have Dalton Street, Gateforth Street, Newburgh Street and Tilt Street?
Keyboard86
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What makes this even more confusing is that at some time, some of the street names were changed. Newburgh St became Ollerton St, etc. Why can't they leave things alone! Thanks for all your help folks, it is very much appreciated. I think this is going to be one of those searches! ;D
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Did I mention my slight obsession with old Manchester A-Zs? ;D ;D
Here is a scan from a 1939-ish one which is old enough to be out of copyright. Shows Lodge St, Barwick St and surrounding streets. Then I'm going to post same section from a 1925-ish map - see what you think.
:) Barbara
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From 1925-ish atlas, with the edge of the page occurring most inconveniently!
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Ooooh! I love people with slight obsessions! :D Ony slight ones though! ;D
I get it now, Abingdon St runs from Barwick St to Lodge St, and the litle bit in the middle is Sheridan St. It looks as though the far end of Sheridan Street was lost and built on when they put Abingdon St in after 1925ish!
Thank You Soooooo much! Now, I wonder if any of your Berry's are related to ours????
Tom.
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My Berry line:
Elizabeth Berry b. 1871, m. David McGibbon 1889
Elizabeth's parents were William Berry(b. 1840) and Matilda Greenwood
William's parents were Philip Berry (b. around 1805) and Mary Kay
Philip was possibly the illegitimate son of Sally Berry, baptised 1805 at Newton Heath. No idea what happened to Sally after this baptism, whether she died or married I haven't found anything definite.
:) Barbara
All lived Newton Heath area, mostly along Oldham Road
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Hmm, doesn't look like its the same family, yet saying that, my g'father was born in North Bierley, Yorks, and siblings all over the place! Also family around Bromley Cross in Bolton, and then it goes further back to Irish roots.
Apparently, there is still a large Berry family in Failsworth, Oldham Road area, and has been for many years.
Tom. :)
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For another view of the same area:
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?coords=386141,400397
Select for example the 1908 map from the list on the right and then click 'Enhanced Zoom'
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From 1925-ish atlas, with the edge of the page occurring most inconveniently!
Don't know that part of manchester at all but those pages seem to fit together quite well!
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Well as Eric Morecambe used to say, you can't see the join :D
Good job there Bashlad!
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Hi, the street you are looking for is definitely Sheridan st. I used to live at number 20 . It was at the top end. I went to St Augustine's school the on to the Albert Memorial. Then for our sins we moved to Heywood.
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These maps are very interesting. I have families who lived in Pearson St and St.Augustine St. :)
Kooky
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http://enriqueta.man.ac.uk/luna/servlet/detail/maps2~1~1~342570~123254:Manchester?sort=Reference_Number%2CReference_Number%2CReference_Number%2CPage&qvq=q:bombs;sort:Reference_Number%2CReference_Number%2CReference_Number%2CPage;lc:maps2~1~1&mi=7&trs=48
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Hello, A friend shared the above thread with my mother. My mother is 90 years old and she was born and brought up at number 8 Malton Street, leaving the area when she was in her twenties. Her friend was also born and brought up in Malton Street, but is younger. Mum was able to draw a small map from memory, showing Malton Street, and Junction Street running parallel, and St Augustine Street running at rightangles from Junction Street to Malton Street. Her map also shows Lodge Street running from Junction Street (parallel to St Augustine Street) all the way down to Queens Road. She also remembered Barwick Street off Malton Street. Her handdrawn map from memory pretty well matched some of the official maps posted on this thread. However she was able to add more detail. She remembers Robinsons Grocery shop on the corner of Lodge Street and Malton Street, and Minnies Chip Shop further down on Lodge Street. Also Clowes Dairy (Nancy Clowes was one of her friends). She thinks that Albert Memorial on Queens Road was a church, not a school. She also remembers St Augustines Rectory and St Augustines Church, and the red rec. where everyone did their courting in those days! I asked why it was called the red rec and mum said because it was red! Red shale. She would be delighted to hear if anyone else recalls any of these places. :)
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I lived in sheridan st abingdon st was the street across the top joining lodge st.,, the albert was also a school it's not there now, we moved to Heywood and mini opened a chip shop there on the new Darnhill estate .I lived next door to her grandson John Clayton.I also went to St augustines and the Albert Memorial before we moved.
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What makes this even more confusing is that at some time, some of the street names were changed. Newburgh St became Ollerton St, etc. Why can't they leave things alone! Thanks for all your help folks, it is very much appreciated. I think this is going to be one of those searches! ;D
My Grandparents grew up in this area, I remember being told that streets with German sounding names (like Newburgh Street) had the names changed due to the war. I have a large scale map of the Ancoats area that I can check for you
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hi I'm doing research into my family and found that my great grandparents also lived at 20 Sheridan street, they lived there in 1915, john Henry wheater and Maud wheater nee Wildbure.
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Hi Dave,
Sorry I can't help you on this, I was born there in August 1948 my sister 1952 , not sure how long mum and dad lived
there before , loved that house so many happy times in that street , it was a end terrace on the corner of Abingdon st.my gran lived in Abingdon st my other gran round the corner in Lodge st. It was a two bedroom two up two down
but only one bedroom was fit to use so four of us in one room, no hot water and an outside toilet. Big black oven range in the other room (kitchen).whitewashed back yard.happy times.
Alan.
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Hello, A friend shared the above thread with my mother. My mother is 90 years old and she was born and brought up at number 8 Malton Street, leaving the area when she was in her twenties. Her friend was also born and brought up in Malton Street, but is younger. Mum was able to draw a small map from memory, showing Malton Street, and Junction Street running parallel, and St Augustine Street running at rightangles from Junction Street to Malton Street. Her map also shows Lodge Street running from Junction Street (parallel to St Augustine Street) all the way down to Queens Road. She also remembered Barwick Street off Malton Street. Her handdrawn map from memory pretty well matched some of the official maps posted on this thread. However she was able to add more detail. She remembers Robinsons Grocery shop on the corner of Lodge Street and Malton Street, and Minnies Chip Shop further down on Lodge Street. Also Clowes Dairy (Nancy Clowes was one of her friends). She thinks that Albert Memorial on Queens Road was a church, not a school. She also remembers St Augustines Rectory and St Augustines Church, and the red rec. where everyone did their courting in those days! I asked why it was called the red rec and mum said because it was red! Red shale. She would be delighted to hear if anyone else recalls any of these places. :)
Hi
I've just come across this thread.
The Clowes Dairy in Miles Platting was owned by my grandfather John; he was married to Martha and they had 3 children: Arthur, Stan (my dad) and Audrey .
The dairy was sold either just before the war or during the early years because my grandfather died and they were unable to keep it going. The family then moved to Blackley.
Not sure who Nancy was, its not a name I've heard, maybe you could ask your mother if she remembers anyone else.
Regards
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Hi Stan.
The Albert had a junior school on Queens rd near the zebra crossing in front of collyhurst flats. In about 1962 they built a secondary modern school on the spare land near the Albert church up near the railway bridge, they took people from the local CofE schools St Augustines being one of them, it has since been knocked down now I don't know what they replaced it with, minni moved to Heywood with my parents she lived opposite us, they opened a chippy on the new estate, , tell your mum there is a very active face book page for miles platting it has some people who didn't leave the area people put on old photos of the area as it was in the 1940/50/60s good memories.
Alan.
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Dave hall 10.
Regards your relatives in Sheridan St, I looked on the 1911 census, they were boarding at 44 Elias St they had a son then Thomas (2).john was from Rotherham and he was aIron moulder.
hope this is helpful.
Alan.
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Hi Stan.
The Albert had a junior school on Queens rd near the zebra crossing in front of collyhurst flats. In about 1962 they built a secondary modern school on the spare land near the Albert church up near the railway bridge, they took people from the local CofE schools St Augustines being one of them, it has since been knocked down now I don't know what they replaced it with, minni moved to Heywood with my parents she lived opposite us, they opened a chippy on the new estate, , tell your mum there is a very active face book page for miles platting it has some people who didn't leave the area people put on old photos of the area as it was in the 1940/50/60s good memories.
Alan.
Hello, A friend shared the above thread with my mother. My mother is 90 years old and she was born and brought up at number 8 Malton Street, leaving the area when she was in her twenties. Her friend was also born and brought up in Malton Street, but is younger. Mum was able to draw a small map from memory, showing Malton Street, and Junction Street running parallel, and St Augustine Street running at rightangles from Junction Street to Malton Street. Her map also shows Lodge Street running from Junction Street (parallel to St Augustine Street) all the way down to Queens Road. She also remembered Barwick Street off Malton Street. Her handdrawn map from memory pretty well matched some of the official maps posted on this thread. However she was able to add more detail. She remembers Robinsons Grocery shop on the corner of Lodge Street and Malton Street, and Minnies Chip Shop further down on Lodge Street. Also Clowes Dairy (Nancy Clowes was one of her friends). She thinks that Albert Memorial on Queens Road was a church, not a school. She also remembers St Augustines Rectory and St Augustines Church, and the red rec. where everyone did their courting in those days! I asked why it was called the red rec and mum said because it was red! Red shale. She would be delighted to hear if anyone else recalls any of these places. :)
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Dave hall 10.
Regards your relatives in Sheridan St, I looked on the 1911 census, they were boarding at 44 Elias St they had a son then Thomas (2).john was from Rotherham and he was aIron moulder.
hope this is helpful.
Alan.
hi I'm doing research into my family and found that my great grandparents also lived at 20 Sheridan street, they lived there in 1915, john Henry wheater and Maud wheater nee Wildbure.
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I think this is a very old post, so not sure if anyone still following?
My relatives lived in Barwick Street, (along with many other local addresses) for many years.
I have a 1922 photograph of some ancestors in a class photo taken at St Augustines.
What did happen to Barwick Street? What did the houses look like? I imagine they were fairly run down.....
Lianne
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The houses in barwick street were terraced, walk in off street into the front room, houses were well kept and very clean old but not run down, there are still houses in failsworth that are exactly the same and still occupied now.Logde st Sanderson st and surrounding streets had a lot of bomb damage whole or half streets in some areas , I think they were private landlords for most not sure but I think as it was the corporation took them over and it was just easier to clear them all and offer people news houses in Heywood Hyde Wythenshawe and others.
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Thank you for the information Alan. Your description was lovely. I was almost there in my head. :-)
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Your welcome, it was a really nice area to live in at the time, new houses were built but it is a very different place now, very deprived in some areas but its not the location but the people who make it was it is.
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Do you know anything of the church that was opposite? St Augustines....
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The church was next to the school which was boys only, Gussies as we called it , we went to the church for harvet festival and xmas it was beautiful inside but now its just houses, if you go back on these pages there is a map of the streets some of them had name changes but barwick street is on it.also I have left other comments, I remember it very clear I can see all the streets shops as clear as if I am still there.
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I have a photo taken in 1922 of children holding the sign St Augustines. I thought it could relate to the church, maybe a Sunday school?
Is the school you mentioned still there?
Do you know when the houses in Barwick Street were demolished?
Lianne
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The school is now house's, the sunday school must have been at the junior school on sanderson st, I never heard of a sunday school, the houses in this area were started to be cleared in 1963 onwards, we moved to Heywood to a new estate.we used to have the whitwalks both school were together that must have also been for the girls.
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I just assumed a Sunday school. Am I right in thinking there is now a gasworks where Barwick Street was?
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No, just houses, the gas works is up near Phillips park cemetery miles away, Are you from Manchester ?if not I will add more detail.
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Hi Alan
No, I'm not from Manchester, I'm from Wales.
My Great grandfather lived at many addresses including ones in Harpurhey, Miles Platting and Prestwich.
I do have an old map of the areas and have pin pointed all of the many addresses. I have relatives buried at Phillips Park cemetery also.
My Grandfather was born in Barwick Street and my Great grandparents lived at that address until they passed away. I have no idea what the area is like now.
I believe my relatives may have attended St Augustines school near Barwick Street. It would be nice to pin point the school and see if I could find old records/pictures.
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On page two (2) of this post it has a map find Sanderson st follow it up from Queens rd at the top righthand you will see (sch) that is the school, when did they live in live there this street was unusual as it only had house one side as it faced the side elevation of Abindon st at the top and Goglan st at the bottom, as kids we used to play postmans knock on the doors and run down the alleyway opposite the street.
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Alan
I have just looked at the map....yes, I see.
I know they lived in the house from 1916 until at least 1939. I know that for sure from a death certificate. It's possible some members of the family lived there longer but I'm not yet sure.
The surname was Young. They lived at 49.
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That would be near the top of the street , sorry I don't know the name but as kids you didn't know adults surnames, have you thought of going on google street search , start with Monsall st or Queens rd I think also mybe Sheridan court I think that my be flats, Beirut comes to mind.
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I have a photo taken in 1922 of children holding the sign St Augustines. I thought it could relate to the church, maybe a Sunday school?
Is the school you mentioned still there?
Do you know when the houses in Barwick Street were demolished?
Lianne